2009 Recruiting Class Is Full
According to Bill Byrne, our 2009 football recruiting class is full.
In your notes, many of you are expressing concerns relating to recruiting. I can assure you the youngsters who have given verbal commitments to us are continuing the enrollment process to play for Texas A&M, including sending in their standard university application fee and other paperwork.
Our coaches are also very pleased with the level of recruits we have committed. And I'm pleased to report we have reached the number of NCAA permitted commitments of 25. Now our coaches are evaluating high school underclassmen, while also maintaining communications and visits with our verbal commitments. At the same time, they are keeping an eye on some key high school seniors in case a vacancy happens.
I'm glad to hear all of our commitments appear to be sticking with us. I won't be surprised to see some commits change their minds before signing days happens. These are 17-18 year olds we're talking about, after all.
My hope is we bring in plenty of speed, especially on defense. With Sherman's commitment to putting the best player on the field, regardless of seniority, I think we should be pretty attractive to some recruits.
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I’m glad to hear all of our commitments appear to be sticking with us. I won’t be surprised to see some commits change their minds before signing days happens. These are 17-18 year olds we’re talking about, after all.
My hope is we bring in plenty of speed, especially on defense. With Sherman’s commitment to putting the best player on the field, regardless of seniority, I think we should be pretty attractive to some recruits.
Excellent assessment. speed on Defense and skill on the OL are def. our biggest needs. IF we can hold on to what we have now (LB Malcolm Johnson could prob start for A&M right now) plus add a piece or 2, it looks like we may have a very solid class considering the year we are having.
Not only will there probably a kid or two who doesn’t get through the clearinghouse, but there will be attrition as these kids end their senior years of HS and teams throw on the heat.
Also, we are still heavily after a few high-profile recruits.
A&M commit Beaumont Westbrook Christine Michael has been flirting with LSU for months now. Also, as expected S Craig Loston has reopened his recruitment. He once was committed to A&M and his best friend is a freshman on our football team, so I would not count the Aggies out on that one.
A&M will go try and nab recruits that other schools have gotten commits from and other schools will do the same to us.
Four months until National Signing Day (NSD) is an eternity. A&M lost a guy to Notre Dame within a couple days of NSD last year.
It really surprised me that Byrne even commented on this. Not that there is anything wrong with it. I just dont ever remember anything like this from an AD.
by jarrett.adams on Oct 16, 2008 7:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he commented on it
to quell some of the emails he is getting from angry fans pissed about our season so far.
by Beergut on Oct 16, 2008 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you're right
can u imagine the e-mails he must get on a daily basis?
that would be enough to drive you nuts right there.
by jarrett.adams on Oct 16, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
can u imagine the e-mails he must get on a daily basis?
I would argue that he derserves them. When you jack up prices like he has and don’t deliver a product that is commensurate with what you are charging, you deserve to take some heat. Byrne is treated a lot better by Aggies than I think he should be.
by Beergut on Oct 16, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I mean who can stand our highest finish ever in the Director Cup Standings.
Everyone complains about the ticket prices, but Kyle Field still fills up every Saturday with around 80k people.
If the market will bear your price, why would you sell it for less?
He has brought in coaches across the board that have put our athletic department at heights it has never reached before.
Football has not been a success yet, so he really needs Sherman to work out. There is not one sport (minus football) that has not excelled under Byrne.
by jarrett.adams on Oct 16, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take those one at a time
Yeah, I mean who can stand our highest finish ever in the Director Cup Standings.
The Directors Cup is worthless. The only people who care about the Directors Cup are fans of athletic departments that don’t win in football or basketball. All you need to know about the Directors Cup is that the year Florida won the national title in football and men’s basketball, they still didn’t finish #1 in the rankings. Any ranking that tries to say that winning a national title in water polo is equal to winning it all in football is worthless.
Dominating in the non-revenue sports isn’t something to brag about, because all you really need to do to win in those sports is spend more money on them than anyone else.
Everyone complains about the ticket prices, but Kyle Field still fills up every Saturday with around 80k people.
When was the last time we sold out every home game in a season? The high prices Byrne charges makes it prohibitive for families to come to games. Byrne raised the ticket prices 41% before his first season here (2003), and the team went 4-8. For 41% more money, we received 17% fewer wins. Yeah, that’s a good investment.
If the market will bear your price, why would you sell it for less?
Judging by the lack of sellouts and the falling number of season tickets bought each year, the market isn’t supporting the price.
You do realize that we have the most expensive student tickets IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY?
There is not one sport (minus football) that has not excelled under Byrne.
I guess you’ve forgotten about him giving Melvin Watkins a contract extension (that we had to buy him out of after we fired him after the following season), or him waiting years to fire Mark Johnson. He went ahead and hired his old pal from Nebraska, Rob Childress, and we’re still where we were under Johnson, making the regionals and Super Regionals, and no trips to the CWS. Staying in place is excelling?
The only areas you can give him credit for are success in men’s and women’s basketball, but even there, he let BCG get away, and the jury is still out on Turgeon.
We’re in danger of not meeting our debt service because Byrne has built so many new facilities without the revenue to substain the payments.
I stand by my statement that too many Aggies let Byrne off easily.
He repeats his slogan of “Building Champions”, but what he really delivers are some conference wins in non-revenue sports, mostly ont he women’s side. In his 5 years at A&M (this is year 6) we have won ONE (1) conference championship in a major men’s sport, and that was the ’08 Big 12 Championship.
For all of the money we’re spending, that is a pathetic return on our investment.
by Beergut on Oct 16, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i will take each of your repsonses one by one as well.
The Directors Cup is worthless. The only people who care about the Directors Cup are fans of athletic departments that don’t win in football or basketball.
Yeah, I mean no one enjoys watching our teams do well. I bet you probably did not care or even watch when the softball team competed in the WCWS or the match-up in the Elite Eight against Tennesee.
I understand that those sports are not high-end revenue generators, but do not say they are worthless. Will they save Byrne’s job if Sherman does not work out? Probably not, but they are not worthless. As you are well aware, Sherman is Byrne’s first hire as AD. A lot about his legacy at A&M will depend on how Sherman does.
When was the last time we sold out every home game in a season? The high prices Byrne charges makes it prohibitive for families to come to games. Byrne raised the ticket prices 41% before his first season here (2003), and the team went 4-8. For 41% more money, we received 17% fewer wins.
Judging by the lack of sellouts and the falling number of season tickets bought each year, the market isn’t supporting the price.
You do realize that we have the most expensive student tickets IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY?
I don’t believe there is a stadium in the country that let’s you pay by the win. During the 2003 season I bought a ticket to the game in the South Endzone Bleachers for $15 on the day of the game, more than affordable….that’s dirt cheap.
But if you would like to breakdown the dollar amounts. You say he increased prices by 41%, given that tickets are $80 now, in your mind tickets should be around $47. Your complaint is that it is not sold out.
Let me start by saying, I know not every person that walks throught the gate pays $80 a ticket, but for clarity sake, we will charge everyone the same amount.
Ok, this season we are averaging 80k fans at $80/ticket.
80,000 x $80 = $6.4 million
conversely,
85,000 (2,000 over capacity) x $47 = $3.95 million
You would have to sell 136,170 tickets at $47 to produce the same revenue on tickets.
By my calculations, that is 38% over capacity.
Yes, I realize that our student tickets are more expensive than anywhere else in the country, but we also reserve more seating for students than anywhere else in the country. Student attendance was at an all-time high last year and I believe are on pace to beat that this year. Are you just complaining about prices to complain about them? It just does not seem to be affecting the students coming to the game. If the students were outraged over the ticket prices you would see fewer and fewer people at the game.
Also, for last weeks KSU game they sold tickets in the South Endzone for $35, again, very affordable.
I guess you’ve forgotten about him giving Melvin Watkins a contract extension (that we had to buy him out of after we fired him after the following season)
I have not forgotten that. The extension came when a young A&M team worked its way to a .500 record. That team showed a lot of promise with a freshman sensation in Antoine Wright. He was fired because the team with so much promise vastly underachieved the following year. He essentially lost the team during Big XII play that year. He had to go.
Extensions are nothing more than a vote of confidence from the athletic departments around the country. So unless you put yourself in a situation where you can not get out from under someones contract, then this should not really be factor in an AD’s success.
Should he have given him the extension? In hindsight, probably not
or him waiting years to fire Mark Johnson. He went ahead and hired his old pal from Nebraska, Rob Childress, and we’re still where we were under Johnson, making the regionals and Super Regionals, and no trips to the CWS. Staying in place is excelling?
Mark Johnson was a staple at A&M and you do realize that the year before he was let go he took the team to the NCAA Super Regionals, right?
It makes me laugh if you do not think Rob Childress has A&M back on the map in college baseball. In 2 of his 3 seasons, he has made it to the NCAA Super Regionals. Making it to the Super Regionals is not something to be taken lightly. That is the same as making the Sweet 16 in basketball. If Turgeon takes our basketball team to the Sweet Sixteen each of the next 2 years (which would mean he has done exactly what Childress has done), I would find it hard to believe people would be questioning his performance.
He repeats his slogan of "Building Champions", but what he really delivers are some conference wins in non-revenue sports, mostly ont he women’s side. In his 5 years at A&M (this is year 6) we have won ONE (1) conference championship in a major men’s sport, and that was the ’08 Big 12 Championship.
We’ve won 2, both in baseball. The 2007 Big XII Tournament and the 2008 Big XII regular season, I do not think this constitutes a "back to back" moniker, but
Championships in the Big XII are not exactly easy to come by.
Since Bill Bryne arrived here is the breakdown of championships by school for the regular season and post-season tournaments.
Since 03-04 season (Byrne’s hire):
Kansas – 6.5
Texas – 6
OSU – 4 (zero since 2005)
Oklahoma – 3.5
Texas A&M – 2
Nebraska – 1.5 (zero since 2005)
Baylor – .5 (zero since 2005)
KSU – 1 (zero since 2003)
Iowa State – 0
Colorado – 0
Texas Tech – 0
Missouri – 0
Since 2005:
Kansas – 6
Texas – 4
Texas A&M – 2
Oklahoma – 2
OSU – 0
Nebraska – 0
Baylor – 0
KSU – 0
Iowa State – 0
Colorado – 0
Texas Tech – 0
Missouri – 0
by jarrett.adams on Oct 17, 2008 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
breakdown
Those breakdowns were for the 3 major men’s sports combined (baseball, basketball and football)
by jarrett.adams on Oct 17, 2008 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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You say he increased prices by 41%, given that tickets are $80 now, in your mind tickets should be around $47.
This is a false assumption on your part.
My problem with Byrne then (and now) is that he increased ticket prices to astronomical levels, then when we flopped, he waited until we got to 7-5 in ’04, and then increased them again. He claimed we needed to pay these high prices “to be champions”, yet he has never given us a program anything close to being worthy of those prices.
It is cheaper to go to a game at USC or Oklahoma or texas than it is to go to a game at A&M.
Yes, I realize that our student tickets are more expensive than anywhere else in the country, but we also reserve more seating for students than anywhere else in the country.Two things:
-Penn State sells just as many student ticks as we do.
-Students should have the cheapest tickets in the stadium, imo. They’re students, this school is for them. They are the 12th Man, they make the Kyle Field gameday atmosphere what it is. The fact that Byrne tries to overcharge them to ‘experience’ the very atmosphere that they create is unconscionable to me. It shows me that he really doesn’t understand A&M.Big 12 tournament title in baseball does not equal a regular season conference championship in baseball.
We’ve won one conference title, period.
by Beergut on Oct 17, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK. supply and demand
The price should be what the market will bear, thats capitalism. Do I wish the tickets were $5, yes, but that does not make economic sense.
If people are willing to pay that much, why would you charge less?
Sorry, 1 other school offers as many student tickets as we do, the other 117 in Div 1-A (or whatever its called now) don’t.
Ok. i’ll remove the Tournament results
(although the Big XII recognizes it as a championship, but I suppose if you don’t, it doesn’t warrant recognition)
Since Byrne’s hire:
Texas – 5
Oklahoma – 3.5
Kansas – 2.5
Texas A&M – 1
OSU – 1 (zero since 2005)
KSU – 1 (zero since 2003)
Nebraska – .5 (zero since 2005)
Baylor – .5 (zero since 2005)
Iowa State – 0
Colorado – 0
Texas Tech – 0
Missouri – 0
Last 3 years:
Texas – 4
Kansas – 2
Oklahoma – 2
Texas A&M – 1
OSU – 0
Nebraska – 0
Baylor – 0
KSU – 0
Iowa State – 0
Colorado – 0
Texas Tech – 0
Missouri – 0
Since 2005, only 4 schools have won Big XII Championships, they are not easy to win, period.
Texas is the only program to win a championship in multiple sports since 2005.
by jarrett.adams on Oct 17, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
If people are willing to pay that much, why would you charge less?
Because if you lose, like we have been, then people don’t decide the investment isn’t worth it and drop their season tickets. I know too many people who say they can’t justify spending that much money to watch such a poor product, so they drop their season tickets. Once you’ve lost a customer like that, you have to work three times as hard to get them back.
by Beergut on Oct 17, 2008 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
student seating
Sorry, 1 other school offers as many student tickets as we do, the other 117 in Div 1-A (or whatever its called now) don’t
I don’t know if Penn State is the only school that offers more than 20k seats to their students, they are the most obvious example I know of.
The fact that Byrne blames the students for the high ticket prices, effectively pitting the students vs. the former students, is another issue I have with him.
He can’t field a winning program entertaining enough to bring in donations to build facilities, so he raises ticket prices on everyone to pay the bills instead.
The simple fact is, Byrne is ripping off the students. Do you realize at Florida students pay $6 for a ticket? They won a national title two years ago, they had a Heisman Trophy winner playing for them last year, and yet they charge 97% less than we do for student tickets.
But I guess as long as we have people around who think Byrne is doing well, he’ll keep his job.
by Beergut on Oct 17, 2008 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
Sherman in the recruiting game is probably the one thing I’m most suspect about. But so far he has only impressed.
it will be interesting to see how many recruits he keeps and where we end up. It is true that he is playing a lot of new kids which explains partly why we’re bad and also is helpful in that he has shown he will play any player regardless of anything else.
With teams I would imagine we normally recruit against playing so well, and us so bad, it’s going to be an interesting 4 months. (OSU, Texas, Tech, Baylor?)
If Sherman can keep our recruiting class top 25 and relevant, then I don’t think anyone will be calling for his head too much in the next four years. After that though, people will expect the “championships” they were promised. If he can’t produce results with the recruiting (FRAN) then he’s out.
by carsondude on Oct 16, 2008 10:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
completely agree.
we need to land a couple difference makers over the next few years, but what we really need is a guy who trancends the sport for a season or to, a guy people tune in just to watch, guys HS kids want to be like (e.g Crabtree, A.Peterson & VY). We had our shot with R.McNeal and we screwed it up (partly frans fault, but some of it was his own fault)
with all the compeition right now, we havea very thin margin of error, we have got to not only recruit well, but find the diamonds in the rough
by jarrett.adams on Oct 16, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would argue we still have that chance with Goodson
but our OL isn’t letting us do much with it.
I don’t think Crabtree belongs in the same class with Young and Peterson. I think he may be just as much of an athletic freak as those two, but he isn’t transcendant. Granted, it is very hard for a WR to reach that level where people tune in just to watch them play, especially at the college level.
Last player I can recall who was like that at WR was Randy Moss.
by Beergut on Oct 16, 2008 1:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Larry Fitzgerald at Pitt…was a strong Heisman candidate his senior year
Charles Johnson at GaTech…
Peterson wasn’t what I’d call transcendant, either. He was very good, though. VY was amazing to watch, as much as I hate UT.
Crabtree is an athletic powerhouse. Size, strength, speed. Attitude will possibly be the one thing that holds him back. I just don’t get why WRs are such prima dona’s…the really good one’s, anyway. Word in Lubbock is Crabtree has matured quite a bit from some issues he had with teammates in the locker room last year. But I always wonder what he’ll do in the NFL. Tech doesn’t exactly have a stellar track record of success with players in the NFL…hopefully, he changes that for us.
Don’t you guys get Top 25 recruiting classes every year? Seems like it to me.
Good luck Saturday!
by Tech92 on Oct 16, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he had 22 TD’s and nearly 2000 REC YDS
Those are unbelievable numbers. That is why he was the first freshman to ever win the Biletnikoff Award
by comparison A&M’s single season record holder for TD’s is 8.
People tuned in to see what he did last year. Peterson struggled with injuries but there was no doubt he was the top of college football while he was at OU. It is hard to put people in a class with VY, he pretty much transcends anyone over the 10-20 years (as much as I hate that)
by jarrett.adams on Oct 16, 2008 4:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm quite aware of what Crabtree did
It still doesn’t change the fact that I don’t believe people tuned in to watch him play. I watched him play, and was very impressed with him, but I don’t think he had the national appeal that Young or Peterson had. I attribute most of that to hype. Young and Peterson were top recruits when they arrived in college; Crabtree was recruited as an athlete. The only people who knew about him were those who followed high school football in the DISD.
he pretty much transcends anyone over the 10-20 years
You’re showing your youth with that statement.
You probably don’t remember what it was like to watch Barry Sanders when he was in college. The greatest college football player of the modern era, period.
by Beergut on Oct 16, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jarrett and you are in agreement on VY, by the way.
by Tech92 on Oct 16, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't follow you
Are you saying you agree with Jarrett’s assessment of VY?
Because I sure as hell don’t.
by Beergut on Oct 16, 2008 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do think, for one year, VY was transcendant. Now, was he THE best guy of the last 10-20 years? I don’t believe so, but there many out there who do – especially the UT shills at ESPN. I am with you on Barry Sanders, though. I was at Tech during his amazing run and we played them in something called the Japan Bowl. It wasn’t a bowl game, per se, it was exhibition, though it counted in the stats and standings. And he absolutely demolished us with one hand tied behind his back. I think he had close to 350 rushing yds in that game. It was absurd. But the Cowboys barely beat us 45-42.
Here is his stat line from 1988. How crazy is this? Many QBs can’t match these rushing numbers…
Rushing: 344 rushes, 2,628 yards (7.6 avg), 37 TDs
Receiving: 19 receptions, 106 yards, 0 TDs
Returns: 21 Kick returns, 421 yards, 1TD; 10 punt returns, 94 yards, 1TD
I do think he was the greatest college player ever. That year he had over 300 yds rushing in four games. How crazy is that? His lowest rushing total that season for a game was 154 vs. Mizzou.
by Tech92 on Oct 17, 2008 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
semantics
Excuse me, I left out Barry Sanders and maybe he deserves to be in the stratsphere by himself, thats fine. I suppose they do not have to transcend space and time. Here are the type of people I am talking about
examples:
Vick at VT
VY at TX
A.Peterson at OU
Bush at USC
Crabtree at Tech
Bo Jackson at Auburn
R.Moss at Marhsall
Charles Woodson at MICH
You do realize this whole stream of posts started in a post where I agreed with you. Arguing semantics of who the best player over the last 20 years is fun, but besides the point. We need an ‘it’ player. Someone people want to see.
Goodson is great, but I still do not think he is an every down, between the tackles, back.
You are also right that we may never know because of our OL.
by jarrett.adams on Oct 17, 2008 8:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Aww, man. How could I forget Bo Jackson…or Herschel Freaking Walker.
There really were/are some amazing athletes to play this game.
by Tech92 on Oct 17, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
youre right. it really is amazing, guys like Charlie Ward are after thoughts. He was amazing while at FSU.
by jarrett.adams on Oct 17, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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