Thoughts On All-Big 12 Football Team
by Beergut on Dec 2, 2009 5:25 AM CST
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- I thought Jordan Shipley should have been named Offensive Player of the Year instead of Colt McCoy. McCoy had a poor first half of the season; Shipley was remarkably consistent game-in and game-out this year, and I thought that should count for something.
- Mack Brown getting Big 12 Coach of the Year is something of a joke, in my opinion. texas was favored to win the Big 12 South and the conference in the preseason, and they....won the Big 12 South and will play for the conference championship this weekend. What about Paul Rhoads, who took a team picked to finish last in the Big 12 North to a fourth place finish and bowl contention?
- I don't agree with the pick of Jeron Mastrud for all-conference TE over Jamie McCoy at all. McCoy had better numbers (31 receptions, 328 yards, 1 TD vs. 21 receptions, 233 yards, 1 TD), and was versatile enough to play some H-back and FB.
- I was pleasantly surprised to see Christine Michael make Big 12 Offensive Freshman of the Year. I thought he had a terrific season, but I figured the coaches would take the easy way out and give it to Landry Jones, who did receive some votes.
- I think it is interesting that outside of Earl Thomas, texas had no other players make the first team defense. I thought Lamarr Houston deserved some serious consideration, although I can't argue against including Jared Crick, Ndamukong Suh, or Gerald McCoy at the DT position.
- It was a surprise to see Michael Hodges receive some votes for Defensive Newcomer of the Year.
- I am also happy some coaches think Jerrod Johnson deserved to be Offensive Player of the Year.
- Von Miller received votes for both Defensive Lineman of the Year AND Defensive Player of the Year. With a freak of nature like Suh in this conference, you knew he wouldn't win either award, but the recognition of his performance this year is nice.
- This conference is ridiculously loaded at wide receiver; show me another conference that can name a talented trio like Ryan Broyles, Kerry Meier, and Brandon Banks as their SECOND team.
- I think Trent Hunter should be on the first team over Larry Asante, but I guess I'll have to be happy with a second-team selection. I think Asante had an easier job, since heplayed behind Suh and Crick, and just had to clean up on a lot of play. Hunter had to be a playmaker for us a lot more often, as attested by the 87 tackles he had on the season.
- It is baffling to me that Sergio Kindle makes second team DL while Sam Acho did not. If you look at their play on the field or their statistics, Acho is obviously a better player, and this while playing on the strongside, so often facing double-teams.
- It is nice to see that Uzoma Nwachukwu received some consideration for Offensive Freshman of the Year.
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I always think it’s interesting when people contend a new coach at a school thought to be terrible has some semblance of a decent season (if you can be called being 4th in the north division in one of their weakest years ever being decent), they should be the coach of the year, whereas Mack’s had like ten 10 win season in a row, lost 1 game in the past 2 years (by 1 point on the last 1 second of game play blah blah blah), and has been surprisingly consistent in his winning.
if iowa st had contended for the north title, that’d be something, but to be “not quite as shitty as last year” is not an award in college football.
by Displaced Longhorn on Dec 2, 2009 9:10 AM CST reply actions
past performance is irrelavent
I don’t think any coach deserves the Big XI coach of the year over Brown. He was the only coach to actually coach a team with any consistency. I agree that Paul Rhoads deserves credit for turning around that program, but it’s not like they went from bottom of the Big XII north to the top… they just went 6-6. I think Rhoads would receive much more attention if he’d gone 8-4 or so.
The above being said, this is a COY award. Mack Brown’s record the past nine or ten seasons has nothing to do with this year; coach of the decade isn’t an award in college football, either.
So by your logic
….the coach of the year award should go to the team’s coach that had the most wins every year? That seems extreme.
Not really.
The head coach is ultimately responsible for his teams performance on the field. Brown won the most games therefore he should win the award for being the best coach.
by the12thman11 on Dec 2, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Really was a question for ambivalent because that is what he seemed to suggest in his post.
I don’t agree whatsoever, because I think other factors go into who deserves to be coach of the year, and improvement from the previous year is one of them.
I was just stating that I don't see
it to be extreme to give the award to the coach with the most wins that year.
by the12thman11 on Dec 2, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
It has to be a year-by-year contest. This year, no one did a better job than Mack Brown. Yes, he clearly had the best talent in the Big XII and he did exactly what was expected of him with that talent. Yes, Paul Rhoads and Bill Snyder both improved their teams, but imo not enough to warrant the attention of COY. It sort of defaulted to the coach with the most wins this year because no one else really did enough to win it (that’s not a dig on Brown, that’s commentary on the state of the conference).
I definitely don’t see it as the coach with the most wins deserving the award – there must be more criteria than that.
Mack Brown getting Big 12 Coach of the Year is something of a joke, in my opinion. texas was favored to win the Big 12 South and the conference in the preseason, and they….won the Big 12 South and will play for the conference championship this weekend. What about Paul Rhoads, who took a team picked to finish last in the Big 12 North to a fourth place finish and bowl contention?
Interesting point, but Bob Stoops gets a lot more COTY credit than Mack does most seasons, despite having far more all-conference selections and usually just meeting expectations. I actually think Bill Snyder ought to have been COTY, because he took a team devoid of, well, just about anything, and lost the division title on a head-to-head vs. Nebraska. Rhoads certainly should’ve been in the discussion, though.
The bigger question is why Oklahoma had so many damn selections on the first team. You ask why Kindle was second-team over Acho, but the fact is that he probably deserved to be there, while Acho actually deserved to be first-team. In fact, it’s an absolute joke that Texas had only three players on the first team at all, when UT won three more games (two more just in-conference) than any other team, didn’t lose to any mid-majors, and fielded the best total defense, best rush defense, best scoring defense (not including returns for touchdowns), most turnovers created, and best scoring offense. Compare that to Oklahoma.
By the way, congratulations on Christine Michael. I think that kid’s already a great player, and I believe he’s only scratching the surface of his potential so far.
by burntorangehorn on Dec 2, 2009 10:14 AM CST reply actions
the reason Texas doesn’t get more recognition in the All Conference selections is because mack brown beats everyone with superior athletes and not actual game planning and skill… oh wait.
by Displaced Longhorn on Dec 2, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
I agree that it is pretty strange for the clearly dominant team of the league to have so few all-conference players. But I"m sure UT is much happier being in the position they are than the position of OU.
Maybe the voters thought that UT is not that great, and only has a few great players. Considering this, Mack going 12-0 must’ve been quite an accomplishment, so he deserved the COY award.
If that’s the case, with OU garnering so many conference honors and only going 7-5, Bob Stoops needs to earn the crappiest coach of the year award for doing so little with so much.
The coaches is list is always jacked up. Probly b/c they can’t vote for their own players. One has to wonder that if he never played opposite Brian Orakpo, would anyone know who Sergio Kindle is? Acho definitely had a better year. Hunter needs to get more pics if he wants to be first team. Still say Houston should be first team. 20 TFLs for a DT is just something you are not going to see every year. Mack Brown went 12-0 in maybe the worst year the conference has had. Just not that impressive. Rhoads or Snyder would have been a better choice.
by miketag on Dec 2, 2009 11:41 AM CST via mobile reply actions
the reason coaches can't vote for their own players is because of Mack Brown
Before they put in this rule on the coaches all-conference team, coaches were free to vote for and nominate as many of their own players as they wanted to. Mack used to nominate his whole team, literally; I guess he figured at worst, all of his players woulsd receive some kind of honorable mention recognition, which he could then use in recruiting propaganda, so it was worth making the all-conference team into a farce. The end result is they had to change the stipulations regarding voting.
when
was this changed? when did they change the policy of having coaches vote for their own players.
by wishiwasalonghorn on Dec 2, 2009 7:08 PM CST up reply actions
Having trouble with the "reply" function for some reason,
But wanted to respond to miketag’s suggestions of Rhoads or Snyder. It just seems a little out of whack to give the coach of a year to a coach w/o a winning record. Iowa St. even had a losing conference record. And if you are going to hold the “worst year the conference has had” against Mack, shouldn’t the same principle apply to Rhoads and Snyder, i.e., they didn’t even have a winning record in the worst year the conference has had?
Had Nebraska not lost to Iowa St, I think Pelini (sp?) would have been a fine choice. As is, I think Mack is being rewarded for fielding the only legitimately good team in the conference.
I was very impressed by the fact that Snyder and Rhoads did not lose their teams after horrendous starts. Especially Rhoads who had to deal with a lot of injuries.
by miketag on Dec 2, 2009 5:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
How do you figure? He didn’t win one significant football game
by miketag on Dec 3, 2009 1:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Shutting out the second (or maybe 3rd) best team in the Big 12
wasn’t significant?
I don’t think OSU was one of the top 3 teams in the league. Even so, his losses to NU, tu, Tech override that.
by miketag on Dec 3, 2009 5:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He had a better conference record than
Rhoads and Snyder. Obviously I don’t think Stoops deserved it, I’m just not sure what Rhoads or Snyder did that was so impressive. I mean, sure, they exceeded expectations, but at the end of the day, they were .500 teams.
So then where would you rank OSU in the conference? 4th? Surely not lower than that. At any rate, that OU win was impressive. Texas fans have an extra appreciation right now for how tough rivals can play you, and a shutout against a legit team is always impressive.
COY
This would be an all together better discussion if the award wasn’t limited to just head coaches.
bill synder
in my opinion should get coach of the year. i agree with the logic that all brown did was do what was expected of him, so why is he coach of the year? i think brown deff deserved it last year though, and stoops getting it last year was the biggest joke of all
by wishiwasalonghorn on Dec 2, 2009 7:11 PM CST reply actions
I would also
argue that the coach that did the best job anywhere was coach boom
m’fer with that defense.
by miketag on Dec 2, 2009 7:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
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