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A Question Of Royalty: Is texas' Place In The Throne Room Of College Baseball Questionable?

LSU's victory over texas in the 2009 College World Series championship series, which gives LSU their 6th national championship in baseball, caused me to ponder a question. texas fans like to brag about their baseball program: most trips to the College World Series for any program; most trips to the championship game or series in the CWS; more games played at the College World Series than anyone else; 6 national titles, the list goes on. I've even heard one texas athletic representative (think it was DeLoss Dodds) refer to texas as "the Yankees of college baseball". texas fans (and administrators) consider themselves part of baseball royalty.

texas has been to the College World Series a record 33 times. That is an impressive number. However, they have won it all only six times, total. That means whenever texas goes to Omaha, their chance of winning it all is at roughly 18%. This is somethng to brag about? 18% doesn't make you "the Yankees of college baseball", it makes you the Boston Red Sox. 18% means you find ways to lose, which has always been something the Red Sox excelled at.

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Conversely, LSU has been to the College World Series 16 times in their history, and won it all 6 times. This means that when LSU makes it to Omaha, there is a 37% chance they'll win it all. So, LSU is roughly twice as likely to win it all in Omaha as texas is; baseball royalty, indeed.

LSU has won all of their national championships since 1990 (1991, '93, '96, '97, 2000, '09), while texas won their first national title in 1949 and last in 2005. So, what it has taken texas approximately 60 years to accomplish has been equalled (and some might say surpassed) by LSU in only 19 years?

Furthermore, texas a dn LSU are tied for the second-most national titles in college baseball, with their 6 falling behind University of Southern California's 12 national championships. Baseball royalty? It looks to me like texas' place in outside in the hall, because LSU has passed them up in the line of succession.

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No one is the Yankees of any sport if you want to get technical

because the Yankees have dominated baseball history like no team in any sport ever has or will. Perhaps you would prefer Texas to call themselves the Cowboys of college baseball (5 championships in 29 playoff appearances).

by Texas Wahoo on Jun 27, 2009 10:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

well, technically

the Cowboys have been to the Super Bowl 8 times, and won 5

that winning percentage is still better than what texas has done.

by Beergut on Jun 28, 2009 3:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes - but the Super Bowl only has 2 teams in it

The entire NFL playoffs is a closer approximation to the CWS than the superbowl.

by Texas Wahoo on Jun 28, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, technically you are wrong.

The Super Bowl is two teams, with each team having a 50% chance of winning. The Cowboys have won the Super Bowl 62.5% (5/8) of the time. When put in perspective, this is 1.25 (62.5/50) times what they should do, on average.

Each of the 8 teams has a 12.5% chance of winning the CWS. The Longhorns have won the CWS 18.1818% (6/33) of the time. When put in perspective, this is 1.45 (18.1818/12.5) times what they should do, on average.

Statistically, the Longhorns out perform the Cowboys. I have no idea why this was even brought up, but if you are going to throw out claims, you should be able to back them up with evidence. Not the case here.

by Prodigious Clout on Jun 29, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually

if we’re considering that each team has a 12.5% chance to win it every time, shouldn’t you consider all the teams chances to win it, versus how often texas has won it?

So, instead of looking at 6/33, you should be looking at 6/(8*33) or 6/284. Therefore, texas has won 2.2% chance of winning it all.

by Beergut on Jun 29, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

um...

I’m not quite sure what you just tried to prove, but I’ll bite.

Okay, so every year you have a 1/8 chance to win. So, you are expected to win once every 8 years. So any random team should win 4.25 championships per 33 appearances. So 4.25/(8*33)=1.496%

6/284=2.112% (Thanks for rounding up to 2.2 ;-) )

2.112/1.496=1.411

So, the Longhorns have won the championship 1.411 times more than what is expected from the average team. Again, this is greater than the 1.25 put up by the Cowboys.

I really don’t understand the relevance between the Longhorns baseball team and the Cowboys football team. But, if you are going to use easily disputable math to try and discredit the Longhorns, you can bet I will at least check your work.

by Prodigious Clout on Jun 29, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not the one who brought up the Cowboys

that was Wahoo.

Given that the Super Bowl doesn’t include 8 teams, I think it is a poor comparison, but since he brought it up, I went with it.

by Beergut on Jun 29, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Given that the Super Bowl doesn’t include 8 teams, I think it is a poor comparison, but since he brought it up, I went with it."

You will notice I was discussing the NFL playoffs, not the Superbowl. The playoffs as a whole are a much better comparison.

by Texas Wahoo on Jun 30, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

UNC women's soccer isn't too far off

38 Conference Champs and 20 Nat’l Champs (including 19 of the 27 NCAA Championships). It doesn’t have nearly as much history though.

by ajax77777 on Jun 29, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed - I should have said "any major sport"

I’m sure there are some crazy runs in some non-revenue college sports. Arkansas track maybe? OSU wrestling? Someone in water polo?

by Texas Wahoo on Jun 29, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

do you realize more than 2 teams at a time can be considered “royalty”? what a stupid way to attack the baseball program.

by Displaced Longhorn on Jun 28, 2009 9:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Are you being serious....

So your blaming Texas for making it to Omaha more times than LSU? I would prefer to have 6 titles in 33 appearances than 6 titles in 16. The more times you make it, the better your teams are. However, if LSU had less appearances and more titles, I would see your logic.

However, the argument you presented makes no sense, and just makes you look bad.
Just because you don’t win it all doesn’t mean you weren’t a great team. Plus, how many times have the Aggies been there? Haha.

by Longhorn11 on Jun 28, 2009 10:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Please

Pardon my poor sentence structure. I wish you could edit posts.

by Longhorn11 on Jun 28, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not "blaming" texas for anything

I’m just saying that their claim to being the “Yankees of college baseball” is ludicrous.

With LSU winning their 6th national title, texas can’t even claim to be the second-best program in college baseball, b/c they’ve been passed.

by Beergut on Jun 29, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The bottom line is that USC is far and away the best baseball program of all time. They ARE the Yankees of the college game. tu is a program that is traditionally strong, and belongs in thecategory of programs like LSU. Fullerton, and Miami.

by miketag on Jun 29, 2009 8:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Seriously?

“18% means you find ways to lose”

Or it actually means you find ways to win… because a simple look at math says that with 8 teams, each team has a 12.5% chance to win. Therefore, since 18 > 12.5, Texas actually wins more often than it should.

I would have no problem if an LSU fan made this argument, because winning the CWS 37% of the times you make it is an incredible feat. But to have this come from an Aggie is laughable.

by Prodigious Clout on Jun 29, 2009 9:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What is laughable is your assertion that you cannot have a sports opinion unless your team is winning at a high level.

by miketag on Jun 29, 2009 3:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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