SB Nation Big 12 Roundtable - 2009 Season - Week 2
This is the second installment of the 2009 Big 12 Roundtable, a weekly feature during the season. Each week, an SB Nation Big 12 blogger will host the Roundtable and submit a series of questions to all Big 12 bloggers. This week, the Roundtable is being hosted by Rock M Nation. Listed below are I Am The 12th Man's answers.
1. A solid 10-2 showing for the Big 12 this weekend. Which of these wins was biggest for the Big 12 and why?
I'm sure most people will point to Oklahoma State's win over Georgia as a key win, and while I must admit it was nice to shut up the ESS-EEE-SEE lemmings for one week, I don't think that victory counts as the most significant for the conference. I may sound like I am tooting our own horn here, but I actually thnk the most significant wins for the conference last weekend were Baylor over Wake Forest and A&M over New Mexico. Baylor's win over a solid ACC team shows that they are to be taken seriously, that signs of progress in their program last season were not a fluke, and that they may very well be a bowl contendor this season. A&M's win over New Mexico shows that they are taking steps in the right direction under Sherman, and that they are improving as a team. Both of these wins are significant because these are the two teams expected to bring up the bottom of the Big 12 South; if both of these two teams are solid this year, it means the Big 12 South may be ridiculously tough, and by extension, it makes the Big 12 Conference look very good.
2. Conversely, the Mountain West did its damage against Colorado and Oklahoma. What's more disconcerting -- a sleeper in Colorado coming unglued, or a power in Oklahoma getting knocked off?
I am not sure if either of these games can really be considered disconcerting, in that the losses weren't huge upsets. BYU is a ranked team, it was known coming in that Oklahoma was going to struggle some with an inexperienced offensive line, and if you take away anyone's starting QB, there are going to be issues. The fact that BYU won given the circumstances in the game really isn't a surprise. However, a weak Oklahoma is not good for the conference as a whole, because one of the storylines this season was going to be a top 5 Oklahoma team fighting with a top 5 texas team for conference supremacy; if Oklahoma loses multiple games before facing texas in October, it does not help the reputation or image of the conference. It also may mean there is a clear field for texas for the division and conference title.
Seeing Colorado come unglued against Colorado State wasn't disconcerting at all; after the previous three years, I think we've all become used to seeing Dan Hawkins' team perform poorly. Sunday's loss to Colorado State was just another another drop in the overflowing bucket of disappointment that has been the Dan Hawkins tenure in Boulder. Oklahoma's loss to BYU was a fluke win for the MWC that could have been avoided by better preparation of a backup QB by the Sooner staff; Colorado's loss is just another disappointing loss to add to Hawkins' resume.
3. Right now, the college football world is rotating around a shoulder that can't rotate itself. What does the Sam Bradford injury mean for the conference right now?
It means the conference's best storyline coming into the season (Bradford vs. McCoy for the Heisman) is dead before the first chapter was even written. Bradford's absence means Oklahoma is significantly weakened, and it means that there is one less serious contendor for the national title in conference. With Bradford, even with a poor offensive line, Oklahoma is a threat to win the conference and compete for the BCS title. Without Bradford, Oklahoma might only be an 8-win team. Bradford's injury could cost the conference millions in lost bowl revenue, and that is not an exaggeration.
4. How, if at all, did your perception of your team change after week one, both for better and for worse?
I think all Aggies were pleasantly surprised at how well we performed in our first game. I think we all expected to win the game, but to dominate the way we did, to set a record for total offense for a season opener (606 yards), to hold the opposition to only 21 yards rushing; I don't think any of us expected that. I think it is safe to say that our perception of the team has changed for the better, although I think all Aggie fans are still a little cautious; it was only New Mexico, after all.
5. Give us your offensive player of the week, defensive player of the week, and coaching move of the week, including justifications for your selection. You ARE eligible to vote for your own program.
Offensive Player of the Week: Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri
25-33 passing for 319 yds and 3 TDs, 10 rushes for 39 yards and 1 TD against a BCS conference team in a border rivarly season opener that is also his first collegiate start ever is enough to convince me he deserves this week's accolades. Gabbert may make Missouri fans completely forget who Chase Daniel was by the time October rolls around.
Defensive Player of the Week: Von Miller, Jack LB, Texas A&M
He had 3 sacks, almost equalling his total production from last season, and helped hold New Mexico to 21 yards rushing on the game. He is also the current Big 12 leader leads the nation in QB sacks. If he continues to improve as the season goes on, he will be a difference-maker every opposing offense will need to account for.
Coaching Move of the Week: The best coaching move I saw all week was the two-point conversion call by Chris Peterson as Boise State went up on Oregon, 8-0. However, neither of those squads play in the Big 12, so I'm left to go with Art Briles pulling out all the stops in Baylor's win over Wake Forest. I especially liked the shovel pass to Kendall Wright, which he turned into a Sportscenter highlight.
6. Big 12 Power Poll! Rank the teams from 1-12. (Again, the simple criteria for this is power, i.e. who would beat who on a neutral field?)
- Oklahoma State Cowboys
- texas longhorns
- Missouri Tigers
- Oklahoma Sooners
- Nebraska Cornhuskers
- Texas A&M Aggies
- Texas Tech Red Raiders
- Baylor Bears
- Kansas Jayhawks
- Kansas State Wildcats
- Iowa State Cyclones
- Colorado Buffaloes
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hey, nice read
thanks
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by blalock84 on Sep 8, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice
One thing that annoys me about the OU situation is how UT fans (at least that I know and/or interacted with) reacted to the loss. I have never seen a team take such delight in a loss and injury of another team when they aren’t even playing them as I have this weekend. It made me view UT fans as even bigger douches than I already considered them to be, if possible.
by FuturePants on Sep 8, 2009 11:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree...
and I’m a raider. All their talk has been about how Bradford’s injury will ruin OU’s season. It may be true but nothing to take pleasure in. I’m not convinced he won’t be ready by the RRR. Hats off to you guys on your win.
by Raider1992 on Sep 8, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol, most UT fans have expressed their hopes that Bradford gets better and makes a full recovery. now many of them think taking the season off is what it’ll take, and have said “fuck stoops for convincing 3 first rounders to come back only to have 2 of their seasons ended”… but I’ve seen maybe a handful of fans across the internet say “fuck bradford, fuck oklahoma, i’m glad they’re out 2 starters” and I read alot of forums, blogs, and general longhorn fandom. and of course we’re talking about how losing Bradford is going to ruin OU’s season… he’s their starting Heisman winning QB.. it would ruin damn near anyone’s season. even with Bradford their season was looking like an abortion the way their team played BYU.
to say that the Longhorn fanbase is gloating and taking delight in Bradford and Gresham’s injuries is a gross overstatement.
by Displaced Longhorn on Sep 8, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I admit I am not perusing UT message boards; I cannot think of a larger waste of my time.
However,
to say that the Longhorn fanbase is gloating and taking delight in Bradford and Gresham’s injuries is a gross overstatement.
Uh no man. Not a gross overstatement. Not even kind of one. I was out Saturday night and all I heard was UT fans buzzing about how happy they are that OU lost. Give it a rest – UT was not playing OU this weekend; why delight in a loss of another team? I don’t give a shit whether UT wins or loses any game except Thanksgiving. You guys should start acting the same way and care more about your own season than OU’s.
And all I can comment on is what I saw and experienced….not “alot [sic] of forum,s blogs and general longhorn fandom.”
by FuturePants on Sep 8, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they’re a rival, why can’t we be happy they lost a game? lol, you’re ridiculous.
by Displaced Longhorn on Sep 9, 2009 5:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I pretty much agree with you here
I hope texas loses every single game they play. It is the only way to shut texas fans up.
I enjoy A&M winning more than anything, but seeing that texas lost a game makes me laugh.
I honestly think that a lot of texas fans are disappointed that Bradford was injured, because they want to play Oklahoma at full strentgh. There is also something to be said for getting to watch a duel between two QBs like McCoy and Bradford; like I’ve already said, that was going to be a fun storyline for this season, and it is over before it has begun.
by Beergut on Sep 9, 2009 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
honestly, I wanted them to struggle, I wanted them to look weak, but I didn’t want Bradford hurt and I didn’t want them to lose. it doesnt look good for the conference or Texas’ SOS with a half strength OU team.
and you’re right, the duel between McCoy and Bradford is a great storyline for the season and that’s either delayed till Bradford can come back (basically the weekend of the RRS) or done for entirely.
by Displaced Longhorn on Sep 9, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because the UT fans were happier OU lost than UT won.
That is what’s ridiculous.
by FuturePants on Sep 9, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ULM was an expected win, excuse me for not torching a dozen cars and rioting up and down 6th street all night when we beat that powerhouse of a program…..
BYU wasn’t supposed to beat OU, not by most people’s accounts, so yes, an upset win over a rival that makes them look foolish once again (as in 5 straight BCS busts) we’ll cheer and laugh about.
by Displaced Longhorn on Sep 9, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where did I mention rioting or burning cars?
It just makes the most sense to me to focus on your own team more than other teams is all. Not to mention that you are right – OU losing does not help UT.
“Rioting.”
Hilarious.
by FuturePants on Sep 9, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Every Texas fan is a douche.” Thoughtful analysis. Way to raise the level of discourse.
by GhostofBigRoy on Sep 10, 2009 2:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is that in quotes?
I said nothing of the kind. Way to raise the level of discourse by making up quotes.
by FuturePants on Sep 10, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Selective Memory?
It made me view UT fans as even bigger douches than I already considered them to be, if possible.
"It's not that the Irish are cynical. It's rather that they have a wonderful lack of respect for everything and everybody."
-- Brendan Behan --
by Zeno of Citium on Sep 10, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ratings
I would likely keep Tech and Kansas ahead of A&M as of right now. I am delighted with A&M’s performance last weekend, but I feel like it’s too early to really give them the benefit of the doubt. I’d rank A&M 8th right now. And it’s really hard to put Colorado behind ISU.
by ambivalent on Sep 8, 2009 12:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d still have A&M ranked 10th ahead of Cu and ISU.
Don’t look now but UAB’s QB put up 220 passing and 180 rushing in a win over Rice. UAB is favored this week vs SMU
by miketag on Sep 8, 2009 3:17 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Robert Griffin II?
Guess UAB will be a good indication of how A&M handles a legit dual-threat QB.
by ambivalent on Sep 8, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come one BG
Its one thing to rank OSU ahead of Texas based on resume its another to rank them ahead on a power poll. To think that OSU would beat Texas on a neutral field is a little far fetched. Save me about what happened last year. Last year’s OSU team was a lot better offensively than this year’s. Defensively they have improved but so has Texas. You are going to mention how Texas has no running game, no tight end, a bad secondary, etc. But you will refuse to mention how Oklahoma State passing options are Dez Bryant 1st, Dez Bryant 2nd, and Dez Bryant 3rd. You will also fail to mention how OSU has no tight end as well. Also, please refrain from mentioning the 20 points they gave up in a glorified scrimmage.
To think a team can beat another team on a neutral field when they haven’t beaten said team at home or away for like 12 years is a little bit far fetched.
I am curious as to what they have to do to be number one in your poll. If OSU loses next weekend Missouri will jump ahead or maybe A&M or maybe Nebraska. It is so sad you refuse to give Texas their due and credit. Its pretty obvious that they are the clear number one team in the Big 12 and you don’t want to see that .
I’m not a UT fan, I’m an OU fan, but I do read BON because its an excellent blog and I always see you on there trying to discredit Texas in whatever shape or form and then I look at your blog and seem them ranked behind Oklahoma State a program that has never won anything significant ever and has never proven that they can actually beat Texas.
There was a firefight!!!!
by ThePhenomenon on Sep 8, 2009 5:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if you think I never give texas credit
you obviously weren’t reading this blog or my rankings last season
As for BON, funny that you enjoy reading it so much since you have been banned from posting there.
by Beergut on Sep 8, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know why
I guess they don’t like opposing fans to come and comment on their site. I wasn’t being a total troll.
There was a firefight!!!!
by ThePhenomenon on Sep 8, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please explain
Your argument for why A&M’s win over New Mexico was “the biggest for the Big12” is confusing.
Your rationale is:
A&M’s win over New Mexico shows that they are taking steps in the right direction under Sherman, and that they are improving as a team. Both of these wins are significant because these are the two teams expected to bring up the bottom of the Big 12 South; if both of these two teams are solid this year, it means the Big 12 South may be ridiculously tough, and by extension, it makes the Big 12 Conference look very good.
1. A top10ish Big12 team beat a top 15 SEC team.
2. An unranked Big12 team beat an unranked MWC team.
3. An unranked Big12 team beat an unranked ACC team
The first win is by far the more impressive and important on a “what win made the Big 12 look best” scale. Even combining the second and third wins together somehow, it is still more meaningful and impressive for the conference.
Had OSU lost(combined with the OU loss), it would have left the Big12 with only one top 10 team and two of the three supposed “title contenders” from the conference would have been upset by lower ranked opponents at home (anyone who watched saw that it was virtual home game for OU).
Also, later you say this:
Bradford’s injury could cost the conference millions in lost bowl revenue, and that is not an exaggeration.
and this:
I think it is safe to say that our perception of the team has changed for the better, although I think all Aggie fans are still a little cautious; it was only New Mexico, after all.
Clearly you are recognizing the larger picture in terms of what OU’s loss meant to the Big12. Had OSU lost, their BCS hopes would have taken a major hit as well, meaning more millions potentially lost by the conference. Conversely, neither A&M nor Baylor were in a position to affect their standing on the national level in this way. You also clearly recognize the fact that “it was only New Mexico after all,” yet you give the win (combined with a victory over Wake Forest) more significance than a win over Georgia?
I will agree that it was a relief encouraging for A&M fans, and Big 12 fans in general, to see the year two progression of the program under Sherman. And I noticed that you were sort of combining Baylor’s win with A&M’s win to make your case. But to say that either of those were somehow more meaningful or in some way better for the conference than OSU beating Georgia just seems inaccurate and misguided.
"It's not that the Irish are cynical. It's rather that they have a wonderful lack of respect for everything and everybody."
-- Brendan Behan --
by Zeno of Citium on Sep 9, 2009 8:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well
I figured everyone else in the Roundtable would point to OSU-Georgia, and I wanted to look a little deeper. OSU was favored int his game and was expected to win; while it makes the conference look good that they won, it wasn’t unexpected.
Baylor’s win was an upset win on the road; that is big for their program. A&M’s win was just a sign that they are making a step to where they should be; sadly enough, dominating a team they should dominate represents ‘progress’ for A&M. Last season, we were struggling with teams like UNM.
Nationally speaking, OSU’s win meant more to the conference. Speaking for the Big 12, in a conference-centric sense, I think both the Baylor and A&M wins combined meant more. It means conference play isn’t going to be a walk in the park for any team.
by Beergut on Sep 9, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The general sentiment...
from most longhorn blogs was unbridled excitement at OU’s loss. One example of the many is here. No one expects a fan of a team to rejoice when your rival wins, but the expectation is that when the said rival loses you show some modicum of restraint. Unfortunately, I think this year, given all the history of last year’s fiasco, has led to more vitriol than we normally see from most longhorn fans.
by maroonblood on Sep 11, 2009 12:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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