The Book'ems Are At It Again
by Beergut on Jan 14, 2010 4:02 PM CST
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In continuing the newest tradition Mack Brown has established at texas, tight end/wide receiver Dan Buckner was arrested Wednesday night in College Station. Apparently Buckner was visiting a lady friend, they began arguing, he refused to leave, apartment management issued a criminal trespass warning, he still refused to leave, police were called, he was escorted to his car, he still refused to leave, he was put into the police car, when he wouldn't willingly go into the car, so he was cited for resisting arrest. Apparently, at texas they aren't taught that when you are having an argument with a girl that is loud enough to attract the attention of apartment management and necessitates calling the police, you should just shut the hell up and leave the premises when asked to by the police. Better to continue the argument another day than to go to jail.
I guess after failing to win the national championship, texas has decided to get an early start and win the Fulmer Memorial Cup championship. Between Sergio Kindle, D.J. Monroe, Marcus Davis, Brandon Collins, and now Buckner, you have to wonder what the hell is going on in Austin.
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I just aw that
may need to contact Orson Swindle to see if the points still count in the Fulmer Cup standings
Dissapointing.
But nothing happened. From what I’ve read, there had been some other issue with the law for Buckner and in the report in the Statesman, Mack says “we all [mack, dan and dan’s family] decided it was best to transfer”
Interesting. Figured he would be a real weapon for y’all at TE next year. Maybe he wants to strictly play WR. Will be interesting to see where he ends up.
by miketag on Jan 15, 2010 4:00 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Except for the "Ole!" blocking, he would have been.
We’ve pretty much given up on TE. All of them. Forever.
He isnt big enough to really be productive as a TE
When we have our “Flex TE” personnel in, it tells the defense that we’re not going to run it. I feel he wanted to play WR more, and the problem is that he’s too slow and not nearly elusive to be productive as a WR. I honestly don’t think he will be too missed next year.
The bright side of this is that he opens up a scholarship slot. Hello Jordan Hicks!
Get off your knees Greg, you're blowin' the game.
He is transferring to another school
You guys should look at him – Lord knows you could use some talent! :-)
"Stats are for losers - I like winning games!!" Will Muschamp
by littlelonghorngirl on Jan 15, 2010 12:02 PM CST reply actions
Might put you into contention for membership into the League of Viable Programs
In terms of impact to the team- it sucks, but not that big a deal. He made a mistake more than once, he’s out. Kids mess up, but the standard is maintained.
Abandon your efforts to talk down about your hated tu; it just makes you look small and bitter.
He ironically survived repeated violation in the title game
Only to go out on a weird hit like that. Such is life. Reminded me somewhat of Potts surviving our game only to go out early in the next, only with no unabomber beard.
by Tackchevy on Jan 15, 2010 6:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Classy
Is a-t-m going to start recruiting a DT who doesn’t take cheap shots at players without helmets?
by burntorangehorn on Jan 15, 2010 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
Ah, that's right
Colt had just unsnapped it.
Still, it doesn’t lessen the fact that Heard maliciously tried to injure McCoy away from the play, and faced no significant repercussions from the school.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 16, 2010 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
Wizard of Odds did a poll at the time,
and not only was it a cheap shot, it was the runaway winner for cheap shot of the year.
Tried posting a link, but the tags aren’t creating correctly. Wonder if it’s browser specific (using Chrome). Here’s the URL though….
http://poll.pollhost.com/ZGF3aXpvZm9kZHMJMTE2NTI1OTM3NwkwMDAwMDAJRkZGRkZGCUFyaWFsCUFzc29ydGVkCTA/
I have no intention of getting into this discussion, because frankly it’s stupid. But internet polls are even more stupid than this discussion. End of discussion.
Not citing it as scientific by any means, just find Beergut’s refusal to EVER acknowledge Aggie wrongdoing (outside of $Bill) highly comical. The “poll” merely illustrates the disconnect between Beergut’s perception of the world and the reality that everyone else lives in.
As the sole practicing member of logic and reason on this board, surely you can recognize the intent of referencing the poll. It’s not to show that the hit was in fact the worst cheap shot of the year, but rather that the play’s inclusion in the list shows that the general perception of the hit is that it was dirty.
And frankly, when has typing “End of discussion” on the internet ever actually ended a discussion? Come on, man.
I am not positive that it really enters a player’s mind to think “hey, I am going to hit this guy and I hope it hurts him” when someone go for a cheap shot like that. I could be wrong, but having played sports and been in the moment of things, I know what it’s like to just react. People often do dumb shit without thinking. Clearly it was a cheap shot and clearly he deserved to be flagged (if not tossed for it) but to say he did it with malice, I am not really inclined to agree. Of course intent is not all that important either, not in this case.
End of discussion works just fine if the person saying it actually bows out :)
Fair enough.
Think you’re right on all counts. I still hate Kellen Heard though.
When I see the endzone view of that play that shows the McCoy was hit well after the tackle was made, then I will believe it was a cheap shot. No one has been able to show when the tackle was made. Course, I would expect nothing less from whiny t-sips than to continue to try to martyr a player from a game four years ago.
What's with the perjorative "t-sips"?
Is there something wrong with tea? I personally hate sweet tea, but what the hell’s with tea that aggies twist it into a negative thing?
by burntorangehorn on Jan 17, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
He actually wrote a letter of apology, which was ridiculous and just indicative of Fran’s numerous failings as a coach and leader. He cared more about public perception than reality. Still do not understand why there is so much whining about a play that did not result in any serious injury (McCoy was knocked out of the game on a hit from Michael Bennett). Guess I should expect it from t-sips.
Good one
It’s not wise to question the toughness of a QB that gutted your defense for about 500 yards the month before.
But, to answer your question, Texas recruited Garrett Gilbert, who’s about to go 3-0 against the Ags. Enjoy.
"Stats are for losers, I like winning games."
by bendj on Jan 16, 2010 12:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hopefully Gilbert will be able to complete his first game against A&M
b/c we all know Colt could not. Your “winningest QB of all time” only went 2-2 against A&M. We will see if Gilbert can do better. McCoy should enjoy that record while he can since the QB at Boise State will break it.
Funny
Unless there’s a defensive player with a penchant for cheap shots roaming your sidelines, I’m fairly confident Gilbert will complete the game.
By the way, thanks for not refuting the claim about Colt shredding your defense not a month before the NC game.
"Stats are for losers, I like winning games."
by bendj on Jan 16, 2010 11:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Everybody shredded our defense this year. It’snot like I was surprised to see colt do it. I saw Tyler hansen do it. It would have been shocking if we shut him down.
by miketag on Jan 17, 2010 2:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
How is one to...
demean you aggys when you keep laying down in front of us like this? It cuts the legs out from us when you keep admitting you had a crappy defense along in addition to your crappy record – what fun is this?
"Stats are for losers - I like winning games!!" Will Muschamp
by littlelonghorngirl on Jan 17, 2010 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
Been there, done that, doing that
Boring – aggys are a lot more fun because they are so much more uptight and ……… just so aggy.
And you hate the Longhorns because we feel entitled? And you love the aggys cause they DON’T feel entitled? Doesn;t that describe their team in a nutshell?
It’s all about swagger and ….entitlement! :-)
(I still like you)
"Stats are for losers - I like winning games!!" Will Muschamp
by littlelonghorngirl on Jan 17, 2010 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
I don’t think anyone on this board expresses any entitlement when it comes to A&M’s football team, recruiting, or retention of coaches. I’ve never seen anyone here shocked that a high school player chose to go somewhere other than A&M, for instance. I really don’t see anyone on this board behaving uptight either, not sure where that notion comes from.
It’s one thing to be confident in your football program (UT has every reason to be – basketball too). It’s one thing to take pride in the program, past and present (storied history, no doubt). But to get offended if a player decides to attend school elsewhere or a coach interviews at another school? That’s just arrogant, and in my mind points right back at the drama I mentioned previously.
And by the way, it’s not at all confined to fans of UT. Ohio State fans are nearly as insufferable (and the media probably loves them more than they will ever love UT). Miami may have been even worse at one point, although they have certainly been knocked down a couple of pegs.
That's because..
Miami quit recruiting the penal institutions!
See, like you, everyone has favorites and we want our favorites to win – that includes recruiting. When we DON’T win we are disappointed and the natural human inclination is to express that disappointment. You are right, some people don’t take disappointment well and may even get offended by it. that’s life and that’s human nature and if you think aggys don’t feel the same and act the same you are mistaken.
Thank God our soldiers feel entitled AND feel as though they should win and get OFFENDED if they don’t – right? :-), just saying…
"Stats are for losers - I like winning games!!" Will Muschamp
by littlelonghorngirl on Jan 18, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
I have not seen you on DTN....
We’re all for good discussion, head on over…
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Without Questions; There are limited Resources...
2-2 record:
Mostly because of Aggie cheap shots, period. It’s not like Colt lost those games.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 17, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
He and Fuller should go as a package deal somewhere
Maybe Houston?
by burntorangehorn on Jan 15, 2010 1:56 PM CST reply actions
why should Fuller transfer?
this is his only incident
he doesn’t have a history, like Buckner apparently does
So with Scales, Fuller, McQueen,
Is this the start of a Sherman tradition?
The only reason Halliburton speculated on that was because Buckner left UT
If he hadn’t, it’s unlikely she would’ve speculated so. Of course, Fuller hasn’t left a-t-m, and probably wouldn’t even if he’d done something in the past.
But we’re talking about a-t-m. Misconduct is generally greeted with a slap on the wrist and a pat on the butt.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 15, 2010 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
Riiiiiiiiiiiight
b/c texas is the epitome of discipline
Sergio Kindle really got punished for driving drunk twice.
Once
While I do suspect he was driving drunk the second time to which you’re referring, you’re off-base in trying to pass that off as a fact. That’s hardly surprising, though.
by burntorangehorn on Jan 16, 2010 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
There is no evidence that Sergio Kindle was drunk when the infamous texting incident happened. In fact, it has been reported that he was texting Muschamp at the time. I doubt that he would have been drunk and texting his coach.
If you want to continue to make fun of Kindle for this accident, fine, but do not accuse him of something of which you have no proof. That is unfair. He is a smart guy and I’m sure he learned from past mistakes.
Fuller and McQueen will learn from this and not make the mistake again. And I’m sure Sherman will deal with them as fairly as Mack Brown does with his own players.
by dimecoverage on Jan 16, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
no evidence?
he hit a freaking building!!!
He was texting Muschamp? Where was this reported?
He’s a smart guy? Have you ever heard him interviewed? The guy doesn’t even know what the word ‘analyze’ means. I seriously doubt he learned from past mistakes, b/c he did it again.
McQueen has used up his eligibility, so I’m not sure what Sherman will do about him. I’m not worried about Fuller, I think he needs to worry about answering to his father before he does Sherman.
hitting a building is evidence of an accident, not a crime…
by Displaced Longhorn on Jan 16, 2010 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
It is obvious he hit a building. There is no evidence he was drinking.
by dimecoverage on Jan 16, 2010 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
You should read BON more often.
Especially The Daily Roundup. Great content, if I say so myself.
From an NY Times article on Kindle:
It was Muschamp whom Kindle said he was text messaging when he crashed into the apartment building. He was sending him a message to tell him that he was almost home. Muschamp raves about Kindle’s work ethic and said he had played well this season. "He has positively affected everybody in our organization for two years," he said.
by dimecoverage on Jan 16, 2010 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
But then you have to put up with all the melodrama, Stoops bashing, over-concern about recruits, whining about Will Muschamp interviewing with Tennessee, and hyperbole of Texas fans!
You're so right,
If you’re looking to avoid hyperbole, Iamthe12thman.com is the place to be.
At least the hyperbole is mostly contained to one or two participants; it’s not endemic to this board.
Wait,
there’s more than one or two participants here?
Wait a minute,
I’m a troll, not a participant!
So the hyperbole is contained to BG and mike, then?
by burntorangehorn on Jan 17, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Interpret it as you please. I know that it’s not coming from me and I don’t get an overall sense of it.
And I notice that no one disputes my other points about BON.
Hold on, partner...
I didn’t dispute your points about BON because I thought you were joking. PB runs a top notch site. If you’re familiar with a better SBN college blog, please point me to it. Let’s go point by point, shall we…
all the melodrama
In the comments, perhaps, but it happens every year during bowl season, and happens to be worse when we’re playing for an MNC. It’ll go back to the core group of posters soon enough. Price you pay for popularity.
Stoops bashing
Question…more Stoops bashing there, or Texas bashing here?
whining about Will Muschamp interviewing with Tennessee
Were we concerned about the possibility of losing our Defensive Coordinator and HCIW? Absolutely. This made up what, 3 or 4 days of discussion? Since it’s become official at UTK, I think you’re safe on this count.
hyperbole of Texas fans!
Seriously? Half of what Beergut posts is SOLELY for the purpose of riling up Texas fans, who make up the majority of the commenters here anyway.
I know that it’s not coming from me and I don’t get an overall sense of it.
Seriously? Once again, BEERGUT RUNS THIS SITE (And I’d be remiss if I didn’t give Mike a nod here too).
I don’t know if there’s a better SBN college blog, I don’t check all of them. I don’t dispute that there is some good reporting and articles by some of the contributors over there. In fact, the article this morning covering A&M at Texas was outstanding.
However.
I went to what is considered far and wide one of the most liberal colleges in the US. I know drama major alumnists who would blush over this article. You may tell me that such a post is the exception and I will not refute that – I am not about to go through every post on BON and look for examples, but that one definitely came to mind. Overall however, my point was much more about the fan conversation/banter in varying posts. Drama. High, high drama.
Oops - posted instead of previewed
I was going to continue by saying that I also get a sense of drama from several Texas fans who frequent this blog for varying reasons. Not all of you by any means, but there has been some mountains made of molehills by Texas fans responding here.
I agree with you that there is a proclivity of posting inflammatory articles by the writers here. It brings in readers and commentary, certainly. I don’t generally agree with it, but it’s not my blog either. I will say though that a lot of the frequent Aggie alum/supporters I have encountered here are not into exaggeration. They come here to discuss A&M and what’s going on at A&M, not to just take pot shots at opponents and opposing fan bases. I definitely don’t come here to bash Texas, or Tech, or anyone else. I come here to read about what’s going on with my chosen college team and to read some opinions about A&M.
The bashing of Texas here vs. bashing of Stoops on BON is not an apples to apples comparison. This blog tends to have actual articles written about Texas when they fail or have something bad going on. I can see doing that to an extent, though perhaps at times it is extreme; again, not my blog. I cannot note any examples of articles on BON that specifically bash Stoops and/or OU, but I can find you about 1,000 fan comments doing so. Poking a bit of fun at a rival’s misfortune is fun and fine, but there is an extent to where it begins to look obsessive and bitter (that goes for a lot more sports blogs than just this one or BON though).
As for Mushchamp: I agree that there should be coverage about his status as the DC. What I sensed however was something more than just concern from your average fan poster on BON. Losing coaches is what happens in organized sports. There’s no reason to gnash teeth. This goes back to what I was saying previously: drama. Same thing with recruiting. I saw a long series of posts once about players “spurning” Mack Brown and going on to fail. That’s just tacky if you ask me.
To me
the key difference is the source of the “tacky” articles. Here, it’s posts. At BON, it’s occasional commenters. Big difference.
The reason that I post over here is twofold…
1. I’m really bad at letting inflammatory rhetoric posted by Beergut and Mike get to me. It’s a weakness, I know. It’s why I can’t watch cable news (both flavors) without screaming.
2. I enjoy being able to discuss college sports with people who aren’t Texas fans. It’s nice to get outside of the echo chamber, and posters like yourself provide that.
As far as your problems with BON, it sounds like they are more with the comments than the content. The “melodrama” link was clearly tongue-in-cheek. Or at least I thought that was clear.
There is also a tone of entitlement that gets to me. Maybe it’s over-sensitivity on my part since I have a general loathing of UT athletics, but I really don’t get that same feeling when I read articles on this blog, nor the OU or Tech blogs. I get this sense reading both the articles on BON (not all of them by any means) and even more so in the fan posts. For instance, Texas football is not entitled to every single recruit they want, yet some fans react with disbelief and even scorn when someone “dares” to choose another program over Texas. That’s the kind of shit that bugs me over at BON.
You are right, I am definitely more bothered by the fans than the articles on BON. And it’s probably exacerbated given the popularity of the blog.
Okay, I missed it. What did Fuller and McQueen do?
I figured Buckner was at the slowest a 4.6 guy. Figured he could help in the end. Just needed to catch the balk more consistently.
by miketag on Jan 15, 2010 3:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Jeff Fuller: Underage drinking.
Justin McQueen: DWI
by HornPossessed on Jan 15, 2010 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
Found it. Fuller got a MIP (welcome to college). McQueen got a DWI. Maybe McQueen will explain to the judge that he was just texting and it will all work itself out.
by miketag on Jan 15, 2010 3:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd prefer our defensive players have a few minor assaults on their record
I encourage aggressiveness
Really?
Seems a bit much. If you have to have minor assaults on your record to be aggressive on the field, something must be wrong. Just get a DC like Muschamp, or more aggressive players.
Well aparently that jail time
is not helping the D’s aggresiveness. Wasn’t it almost 50 points that the vaunted wrecking crew gave up in each of the 7 losses this year. Maybe if all of your sheep were threatened then maybe that D would show some aggresiveness.
The next up and coming Longhorns QB!
by HornsRiverine on Jan 16, 2010 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
not that I really care, but how many of our defensive starters this year have assault charges pending? beergut’s point was that he liked aggressiveness in his defenders and assault charges were indicative of aggressiveness. The fact that no one on our defense has any of those legal issues, and our defense sucked last year would support beergut’s argument.
right
b/c Muschamp did so well against our offense this year
and I was really impressed with his run defense in the BCS Championship Game
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