Chip Brown doesn't buy Johnson as Pre Season B12 POTY, what a shock.
by IrishP1 on Jul 23, 2010 12:53 PM CDT
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Does anyone besides UT fans ever take what this guy says with a grain of salt? I know I don't.
Chip Brown's Pre Season Preview for Texas A&M
I'm not gonna paraphrase what Chip had to say on A&M. I'll let the link do the work for me on that end. I don't have a lot of issue with Chip's prediction with the exception of one thing. Blaine Gabbert's name hasn't come up in any Heisman conversation I've seen like Johnson's and Ryan Mallett's has. So, to say that Gabbert is a Mallett clone and not have his name in the early Heisman list is a disqualification in and of itself.
In 2009, the 3 QB's mentioned above were separated by an average of 32 yards passing for the season and Gabbert had 6 passing td's less than Mallett and Johnson. The X-factor that should ultimately put Johnson over Gabbert is his legs, period. 506 yards rushing and 8 tds for Jerrod compared to 204 yards and 3 tds for Gabbert should prove that.
And finally, signature games don't win awards. Look no further than Colt McCoy. Name one game that completely defined his career at Texas. You can't.
Next time you want to knock a program before a season starts, look no further than in your own backyard, Chip.
Gig 'em!!!!
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why they give out a “player of the year” award before the year even happens is beyond me…
by Displaced Longhorn on Jul 23, 2010 3:41 PM CDT reply actions
gotta sell those magazines, papers, and subscriptions to the websites, hoss.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
Colt had some very big wins in his career.
Defeated #1 OU in 2008, and led a last minute win over another top ten team in Ohio St., to name a few.
Sports is man's joke on God, You see, God says to man, 'I've created a universe where it seems like everything matters, where you'll have to grapple with life and death and in the end you'll die anyway, and it won't really matter.' So man says to God, 'Oh, yeah? Within your universe we're going to create a sub-universe called sports, one that absolutely doesn't matter, and we'll follow everything that happens in it as if it were life and death.'" - Sam Kellerman
there's a big difference between big wins and "Signature" Games.
Example – the average cfb fan knows that the games that defined Vince’s career at Texas were the Rose Bowl win against Michigan and the National Championship game against U$C.
The 2008 win was more Shipley’s game than McCoy, hands down.
You might have something with the Fiesta Bowl win against Ohio State, but for some reason, I just don’t remember that game all that well.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
Really? Why, because he had a long run against a god awful D?
If that was a signature game for anyone, it was Johnson, who lit up Muschamp’s “vaunted” D that night.
Try again, mate.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
One long run?
How about 300+ yards passing and 175 yards rushing. Dude practically won the game on his own when there was a fairly decent chance we’d lose. And, yes, Johnson was great. He’s the only chance you guys have to win 8 games this year; I hope for your sake he didn’t use up his signature game a year early.
Also, this whole “vaunted” thing. You realize it’s moronic to use the scare quotes around the word when you guys over here started using the word in the first place, right? Or do you not understand what a) vaunted means, and/or b) how to use scare quotes. It’s OK if you don’t, because watching an aggy trying to be clever is loads of fun.
300 yards passing and 175 yards rushing, eh?
Against the 102nd defense in the nation. Look out that window, pal. Anyone could’ve done that against our Aggies last year.
Just imagine if Robert Griffin was healthy when Baylor played us last year.
Try, try again.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
Fine
As long as you recognize your team sucked last year. After this season, I expect you to teach beergut and miketag a few lessons in acceptance.
Done. Deal.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
I'll tell you this.
And I don’t mean to trash Gut’s or Tag’s rep. I’m a proud Aggies(‘01), but I’m also a realist. I know when we don’t match up against the heavyweights.(OU, UT, etc)
But I also know when the Big XII is wide open for the taking, as in this year.
My prediction going in to this season was 8-4 and I got blasted for it, but history, and luck plays a large roll in that, and I’ ve come to accept that.
Hopefully, others will follow suit.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
You're totally right
about the conference being there for the taking. I think the only sure bet is Nebraska winning the North.
I do think you guys are fielding your best team in several years. To the season!
Mizzou might put a good scare in to Nebraska.
If they have any kind of D, I’d look out for them.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
Colt's long run
Didn’t he run past Von Miller on that play?
How is defeating the number 1 team in the nation, one that was considered an unstoppable offensive force, not a signature win? Colt was very close to having 3 touchdown passes in that game if you ever rewatched it. Shipley was tackled right before the goal line and Roy Miller dropped a wide open touchdown pass. He made huge plays with his feet and completed passes into the tiniest of windows. The stats don’t show it all; he led answering scoring drives multiple times after OU scored.
The Fiesta Bowl’s Offensive MVP arguably should’ve been Quan, but in Colt’s defense he threw 414 yards and carried the team all night when we couldn’t get any type of a run game going. Plus he led a game winning drive against tOSU in under two minutes hitting Brandon Collins multiple times and James Kirkendoll on a 4th and 3 to keep the drive going. Quan will be remembered for the game winning touchdown and rightfully so, but we had other receivers not named Jordon Shipley and Quan Cosby who made plays in that game, specifically that last drive.
Colt had his signature wins. Colt’s “big games” would be beating co-Pac 10 champ ASU in the Holiday Bowl and beating NU and OU his freshman year in my opinion.
You shot yourself in the foot, dude.
Colt was very close to having 3 touchdown passes in that game if you ever rewatched it.
Hand grenades and horseshoes, end of argument.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
My point was that the stats didn’t matter. The point was how he led the offense after OU would score. He doesn’t get the touchdowns on the stat sheet, but his team still got in the end zone. He made all the right plays when he was supposed to. Anyone who watched that game would definitely say that was a signature win for his ability to improvise and answer OU punch for punch. So no, the argument never ended.
just read his little column
Chip is an idiot.
I can say that because only an idiot would blame Jerrod for the loss to Georgia.
People who were actually at the game know the blame for that loss lays squarely at the feet of the special teams units.
Was there anything more confounding than those “Jerrod Johnson-for-Heisman” stories that perked up after he wiped out a murderer’s row in the non-conference in 2009 that included New Mexico, Utah State and UAB?
Yes, the “Colt McCoy for Heisman” crap we had to listen to ALL SEASON LONG , especially when the human turnover machine was busy trying to lose games against Oklahoma and Nebraska.
Colt
beat OU 3 out of 4 years. He beat Ohio State. He played great against A&M on Thanksgiving the last two years.
JJ is a joke
What JJ will show up every week? The JJ that played Texas or the one that played Georgia? The guy is WAY too inconsistant for a Senior. Can he win a big game on national television?
you do realize that Johnson
will be a senior this year, right?
Saying “JJ is a joke” just means no one will take your football opinion seriously. You are either trolling, or don’t know what you’re talking about.
Can Garrett Gilbert win a big game on national television?
Really?
Saying "JJ is a joke" just means no one will take your football opinion seriously. You are either trolling, or don’t know what you’re talking about.
I mean really? Just because their opinion doesn’t fall in line with yours?
You live a sad life.
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
ask me in 3 years.
GG has already played in a championship game and JJ will never will do that.
by Longhorns84 on Jul 31, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
playing in a championship is a little different than starting one, pal.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
JJ wouldn't know about either
It’s ok because GG will be back,pal.
by Longhorns84 on Jul 31, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Donnie, you're out of your fucking element.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
+1 for Big Lebowski reference.....
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
signature wins
I consider rivalry games, bowl games, and championship games signature wins. Colt was 3/4 against OU and 2/4 against A&M. He was 3/4 in bowl games and he won the only Big 12 Championship game he played in.
Colt also led comeback wins against Iowa, TT, and OSU in his time.
really?
please explain to me how you can consider OU 2009 or NU 2009 (the only conference championship he played in) as “signature wins”. He sucked like a lollipop in both games. You’re just naming big games, and attributing the wins to McCoy regardless of performance.
As for the A&M game, you’re saying he lost just as many “signature” games against A&M as he won.
the fact that you can't pinpoint ONE GAME that defined Colt's career is killing your argument.
We can look to Vince, Tebow, hell, even Applewhite’s signature games easily, but not Colts. Why is that?
Explain that to us all.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
Aggies just don't understand
Colt led comeback wins against Iowa, TT, and OSU in his time which could be considered signature wins for most team (A&M). Texas has such a high standard that those games aren’t remembered as much because championships weren’t involved. The point is Colt McCoy’s resume is 100 times better than any A&M QB.
The 2006 win against OU was pretty special for Colt as well. Aggies don’t know because they are Aggies.
by Longhorns84 on Jul 31, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I've pinpointed several already
OU 2006,2008
Ohio State 2008
The comebacks against Oklahoma State and TT I think in 2006.
by Longhorns84 on Jul 31, 2010 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
not to mention the last two beat downs against A&M
I know A&M is horrible, but they sure talk a lot of shit for a horrible team.
by Longhorns84 on Jul 31, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
OU in 08 was Shipley's signature
OSU in in 08 was Crosby’s
and if you literally have to stretch your arguments to Okie St and Tech, then you’re fighting a lost battle, sir.
And OU in ’06?! Are you fucking nuts?! 11 of 18 for 108 is nothing to brag about.
I bet you right here, right now, that I can come up with Morenz, Applewhite, Simms, Rice, and probably even more Texas QB’s that had signature games that put the ones you put up for Colt to fucking shame.
And I went to A&M for pete’s sake.
(No degree, can’t say “we”.)
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
Sorry, flew off the handle there.
I meant Brown, not Rice.
Sorry.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
Colt was throwing the ball to Shipley and Colt played great in that game.
It’s a matter of opinion I guess. Colt made the winning TD pass against OU in 2006 as a freshman.
I'm defining what I call signature wins
I’m not saying those games were his “signature games”, but in order for them to be a signature wins they have to be either a rivalry, a championship, or a bowl.
I’d say his best game of his career was against ou in 2008. I’d say the last two games against A&M, but an A&M fan said they couldn’t be because y’all sucked.
oh the hypocrisy.
When Colt sucks against Nebraska it’s because he is a terrible QB and not because his offensive line was bad in the game(and Suh being a beast). But when JJ loses a game it’s because of the defense being terrible.
+1
JJ himself sucked against Georgia. I thought he turned the corner aginst Texas, but I was wrong.
His numbers would definitely suggest that.
Have you looked at his ’09 stats?
Or are you just turning the blind eye?
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
did McCoy lead an offense that scored over 30 points against Nebraska or Oklahoma?
no?
Therein is a difference between sucking and your defense costing you a win. If you couldn’t watch the games against OU and Nebraska and not see that McCoy was just terrible, I don’t know what to tell you.
45-35?
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." ~ Will Muschamp
"I always felt like, and I paid a price for it, that it didn't seem right for one guy to bring me down." ~ The Tyler Rose
"I'm Colt McCoy and I Am Second." ~ Colt McCoy
by Mulliganville on Aug 3, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you remember what you write?
did McCoy lead an offense that scored over 30 points against Nebraska or Oklahoma?
What, did you just simply forget about 45-35?
"Stats are for losers. I like winning games." ~ Will Muschamp
"I always felt like, and I paid a price for it, that it didn't seem right for one guy to bring me down." ~ The Tyler Rose
"I'm Colt McCoy and I Am Second." ~ Colt McCoy
by Mulliganville on Aug 6, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
This post
How did this post start about JJ being the pre-season Big12 POY to talking about Colt? I think the Aggies are a little bit bitter about the beat downs Colt handed to them the past two years.
If you want to compare Colt to JJ look at the resumes. Its night and day. We can compare GG to JJ after Thanksgiving.
I'm loving this.
It’s the thread that wouldn’t die….
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
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