A&M Telling Big 12 To Honor Their Promise
by Beergut on Jul 29, 2010 5:52 PM CDT
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PrintNow that texas and OU have publicly come out and said they don't want to accept the Forgotten Five's portion of the exit fees from Colorado and Nebraska (in what I think is purely a PR move by both schools), media outlets are reportng that A&M isn't backing down from their expectation of $20 million a year. From Z's article:
The Big 12 promised Texas A&M $20 million annually to stay in the league. A&M expects the Big 12 to deliver. If the Big 12 doesn't, there will be consequences, starting with legal action and if that's a dead end considering right now it's a verbal pledge, a possible bolt for the Southeastern Conference.
I don't think Oklahoma or texas are really backing down from their expectation of $20 million a year in television revenue, they're just saying they don't want to take the exit fee portion from Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, and Iowa State if it needed to guarantee that $20 million. I don't think A&M has any problem taking their portion of the exit fees from the Forgotten Five, and with good reason: If we had gone to the SEC, those five schools would be looking at a non-BCS existence in the Mountain West or Conference USA, and their athletic departments would take severe financial hits. You can't afford a BCS-caliber lifestyle on a MWC budget, and the debt service hole those schools would be in after the dissolution of the Big 12 would leave them in trouble for years. Avoiding a future in the Mountain West or Conference USA is certainly worth $1-2 million a year to the Forgotten Five, so I have no problem with A&M collecting that money, because of our role in saving the Big 12.
What I really like about all of the noise coming out of this discussion right now is that we're still talking about joining the SEC. If we cannot get this verbal promise in written form to guarantee it is honored, and we are forced to take legal action, another option we have is going to the SEC. This whole scenario gives us the excuse to jump ship from the dying corpse that is this conference, and head to where we should be, in the Southeastern Conference.
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Is the SEC option still open?
or is the offer off the table now?
Guys I quite like this A&M website. I find it more friendly than some of the others like Texags. Good job.
I know yall aren’t going to want to hear this, but I’d want to see if we could get Tech to the SEC with us. Don’t throw half full beer cans at me! I like that rivalry. It is very enjoyable.
I think staying with t.u. is like signing your soul over to the devil, metaphorically speaking.
and I simply believe the seeds are already sowed that will end our conference. t.u. does what is best for t.u. We cannot change that.
Do you think
aggy is doing what is best for other schools? No. aggy does what is best for aggy…as does every other school in the nation.
I don't see A&M trying to get it's own television network. Do you?
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
An aggy television network
isn’t in the best interest of aggy. They dont have the resources or following to make it a viable and profitable option. Hence, they dont start. If they could, they would.
Uh, actually
we’re the closest of any Big 12 school to having a television network up and running
a school television network won’t be profitable for any Big 12 school this year, including texas
texas has been making noise about starting their own network for years, and done nothing about it
A&M actually has all the components in place, we’ve been running our network online
it just doesn’t make sense for any school to put it on television yet
aggies are the only ones demanding the $
because the aggies are the only ones who really need it, out of those 3 schools, due to the financial situation of the athletic dept.
Hey, if it helps us get closer to enclosing Kyle Field.....
and making it the largest CFB stadium in Texas, I’m for it!
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
Ok I will admit, I haven’t been to home games much lately as I’ve lived out of state, but I did roll through CS in December and man what a feeling to be walking that campus again , not to mention walking around our new athletic facilities. The place has changed so much it is unbelievable.
I think you misunderstood my definition of "enclosing", chief.
By enclosing, I meant making the next “Zone” on the South(I think?) end of the field, aka, the “open” end of Kyle field.
Not put a roof on top of Kyle. That’ll NEVER happen.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
yeah, we need it
making $20 million a year in profit and bringing in the most revenue in the conference next to texas, we’re really in dire straights
it amazes me how ignorant some people are of the financial side of this equation
Neither the OU nor Texas Athletic Department
took out a $15 million loan from the university. That’s what everyone is referencing.
/duh
right
b/c a loan we took out years ago is really relevant today
and you appear ignorant of Oklahoma’s athletic department history
every year Blake was there, they were taking loans from the university just to break even
This might be one of the most hypocritical posts ever
b/c a loan we took out years ago is really relevant today
okay so past loans are irrelevant
every year Blake was there, they were taking loans from the university just to break even
Who was the coach over a decade ago?
But anyways…
So aggy is so financially well off right now, they just want the extra money from the forgotten 5 so they can put toilet paper back in the dorms?
Since everyone but you is so ignorant, please enlighten us all.
well
what do you want me to say?
hornhoops thinks we’re insisting on getting the agreement in writing, b/c we somehow “need” the money now, a statement that shows ignorance, given the financial state of our athletic department
we’re insisting on getting the agreement in writing b/c we want to make sure we receive what we were promised
referencing a line of credit we took out years ago (and it was for $16 million, not $15 million) and trying to tie it into the current financial health of the athletic department today is a stretch
I brought up the OU situation because you were saying OU didn’t need a loan; well, that hasn’t always been the case, because when their football team struggled under Blake, it took down the whole athletic department with it. Hiring a former football hero without a college degree to run the athletic department (Steve Owens) didn’t help.
So aggy is so financially well off right now, they just want the extra money from the forgotten 5 so they can put toilet paper back in the dorms?
We’re not even asking for the Forgotten Five to give us their portion of the exit fees when they happen, we’re just simply saying, we were promised $20 million a year in revenue distribution, we don’t care where the money comes from, we expect the Big 12 to give us the $20 million in revenue distribution when the time comes. Personally, I’d like for us to get the money from the Forgotten Five, simply because they owe us for saving the conference, and saving their BCS existence.
As for the toilet paper remark, is that the best you can come up with? Really? Do you even understand the separation between the athletic department and university finances? I’m not sure if you even read that article, they didn’t say they were taking tp out of the dorms, they said it was a proposal, and it was to cut back on the extra tp which dorm members often used to paper other dorms, especially the co-ed dorms. That particular article was written by someone trying to make fun of A&M, and plenty of t-sips and diry monkeys have snagged onto it.
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"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
I don’t think you do. The option of playing in the SEC is a powerful recruiting tool. One even Mac Brown would have difficulty overcoming.
The option
of playing close to home, where your family can see you play is a more powerful recruiting tool.
And yes, I’m sure that when aggy moves to SEC, they will instantly steal all of the recruits that Mack wants. Because all along, those top players really just wanted to play for a Texas team in the SEC.
What a joke.
because the SEC has been so successful with using that as a selling point… Texas would still dominate recruiting, and A&M would still flounder until they have some winning seasons.
by Displaced Longhorn on Jul 31, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I do not understand why any Texas fan gives a damn whether A&M moves to the SEC or not. From the perspective of the average poster on BON, A&M will never out-recruit Texas again, will never beat Texas again without a stroke of pure luck, and A&M will immediately be a bottom-of-the-barrel SEC team. What’s not to like if you’re a Texas fan? Let A&M choose its own destiny, and succeed or fail on its own merits. Please, stop worrying about the fate of the Aggies. Unless of course you have ulterior motives for worrying.
I think you may misunderstand the vibes then
Because the large amount of Texas fans I have talked to can’t wait for aggy to go to the SEC. Look what happened to Arkansas. Power player in the SWC, and now a middle of the pack team.
Plus, most of your traditions will be pretty pointless when you don’t play Texas. Probably have to revise the fight song, no more bonfire, or any of the other “great” traditions in aggyland.
The only negative thing about aggy going to SEC might be that the state of Texas will be more accessible recruiting wise to SEC teams. And aggy thinks they will recruit better going up against Texas, OU, and the rest of the SEC now?
Ha.
I guess it shouldn't surprise me that most t-sips aren't intelligent enough to realize Arkansas isn't in Texas?
Arkansas wasn’t a power player in the SWC, first of all. You aren’t a power player when you go 3-7-1 in your last year in a league. Arkansas’ middle-of-the-pack status in the SEC has more to do with the non-competitive nature of their athletic budget versus Tennessee or Florida or Alabama. Budget wise, we’re ahead of Tennessee, about equal with Alabama, and a few million behind Florida. We can compete with these schools financially while Arkansas cannot. Add in the fact that Arkansas leaving the SWC meant no more games in Texas, which meant no more access to Texas recruits, and is it any wonder they’ve struggled to dominate the SEC? They’re a middle-of-the-pack program financially and resource-wise, and they achieve middle-of-the-pack results. A&M isn’t in the same situation as Arkansas.
Your statements about traditions just reveal your ignorance of A&M’s traditions. We have two traditions that involve texas, that is it. Two. Our defining traditions, like Muster and Silver Taps, have nothing to do with texas. It is no surprise that a t-sip would think it is all about them, though.
As for recruiting in the SEC, there will be in-state kids who want to go play in the best football conference in America, and want to stay home to do it. If A&M is in the SEC, we would be the only in-state school that can offer kids that chance, so we would be getting those recruits. This prospect, more than anything else, terrified texas, which is why they were screaming about never playing us in anything ever again if we left without them.
got my years mixed up
3-8 the year before they left, 6-6 in their final year
I had forgotten that they beat texas before they left the conference
We will still play tu
Your AD can posture all he wants, but in the end the A&M-tu game isn’t going anywhere. The Arkansas comparison will be valid when they out out 300 D1 recruits per year
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