A&M To SEC In 2013?
by miketag on Aug 1, 2010 7:23 PM CDT
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PrintI just received an e-mail from a very trusted source who told me that A&M will be joining the SEC in 2013. This would be tremendous news if true. A progressive move like this from the administration would really shock me. The move to the SEC would change the recruiting dynamic in the state. It would allow A&M to offer Texans an in-state option to compete in the best conference in the country. If texas does not follow (which I do not expect them to do), then it would also separate the two schools in different conferences for the first time in their histories. I hope this information proves to be correct, because road trips to Baton Rouge, Gainesville, Starkville, and Tuscaloosa beat the hell out of Lubbock and Stillwater.
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think 2012
when the current Fox television contract ends, would be a more logical year to make the move
Do you really want to be irrelevant like Arkansas? How'd that move work out for them? Whoops...no mulligans here.
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by Mulliganville on Aug 3, 2010 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I very much doubt there is anyone in the world who knows for sure that the Ags will be in the SEC in 2013. Your source may believe that will probably happen, but I just doubt that any decision has been made by those who have to make the decision.
we can always have preliminary plans
I just don’t see how $20 million in 2012 is such a good deal
Looking at what SEC schools receive now, and what Big Ten schools could potentially receive with the addition of Nebraska, $20 million won’t look like much two years from now.
2013 would be when the next round of BCS evaluatins would be that matter
at least for the automatic qualifying conferences.
Here is the time line:
1) Big 12 signs new TV deal, able to keep promises
2) Texas creates their own TV network
3) Big 12’s TV partners drop the TV deal, due to a clause that no team would ahve their own network
4) The rest of the Big 12 go to other conferences, maybe even the MWC if they are AQ by then.
5) Texas is not allowed to bring their network into any conference
6) Texas becomes a new major independent
BYU might join them. They already have a TV network (BYUTV) in half of the nations homes.
The return of the major independents might ensue, for those teams able to support their own cable network. Conferences able to support a cable network would form the next tier of teams with the rest left behind with the scraps.
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That's a lot of fucking faith in Dan Bebee.
I wouldn’t trust him anymore than a used car salesman.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
"Back in Irish's day you had to kill a man before you were taken seriously in polite society." - Aquaman56 06/25/10
All he has to do is sign a TV deal including Texas for a lot of money
And watch as the TV deal dies when Texas forges their own TV network and the rest of the conference heads for solid ground.
BCS Evolution -- Punctuating the Equilibrium - twitter
are you talking about Beebe forming a television deal for the Big 12?
texas’ television network would only include their third-tier television rights, the games that national networks won’t televise
it would be interesting to see them try going independent, but if they did, I could see other teams refusing to schedule them, and killing them off
I'm talking about BeBee doing anything he puts his hands on.
The bastard just can’t be trusted, period.
"Biggest mistake in DFW history?" - Bigger mistake in LSB history.
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tu has been able to create their own network
ever since the Big 12 formed. Why have they not started one in the last 15 years? Bevo tv does not have that many subscribers, and I think tu will struggle to find 24 hours of programming. I do not think tu will ever start this network. A much better idea IMO is to have a Lone Star Network where all the D1 universities in Texas can submit programming. I think that would be wildly popular in this state and there would be plenty of programming to fit in 365 days a year.
KeithDB,
e-mail me off the blog. You know my source, but I don’t think you converse with him anymore.
Florida has the sunshine station
a similar idea, and some pro games (baseball and hockey) even show up from time to time.
As for programming, Texas would have the non revenue sports (which would instantly have the recruiting edge of the best TV deal in the nation for those sports), historical footage, their own PR people writing around the clock analysis and news coverage.
They could even throw in a late night distance learning class or two, or maybe even PhD thesis defenses. This is the University of Texas after all.
BCS Evolution -- Punctuating the Equilibrium - twitter
and what would they put on there
during the off season? they could do all of the above on the bevo d channel but do not. Last I heard they still are struggling to find subscribers to that station. Even if you put every non-revenue sport on there, you are still only talking about 8 hours per day max.
This is nothing more than speculation. Until the Texas legislators and other politicians int the state weigh in on behalf of Baylor and Tech, among others, this is only pie in the sky.
In regard to the Lone Star Network, I think that is a great idea , but t.u. aint gonna do it. Back to the original Big 12, man we had all kind of great markets and the doofuses that represented us couldn’t negotiate their way out of a paper bag.
I am not sure that if
A&M made their move on their own, the legislators would have that much problem with it. You get all 19 Aggies in the legislature to side with A&M and I think we can stave off the legislative heat. I still think the issue was with ESPN and Fox not wanting to negotiate tv contracts with super conferences.
the problem
is that if A&M leaves, then Texas is free to do whatever they want (under the “if A&M had a free hand, then we damn well better” logic). Tech and especially Baylor won’t like that at all. Unless Tech gets an ironclad “we’re definitely taking you with us” promise from Texas, their backers would be anti-, and since there’s no way anyone wants Baylor, their backers would be against it too.
Could Tech + Baylor block it? I have no idea. But there’s a reasonable chance they’d at least make a major effort.
well, the years would line up
think about it
right now, Perry is running for re-election, so donors from Baylor, for instance, can weigh in with their opinion to Perry, and he has to listen if he wants the money
but in 2013, he won’t be running for anything, so they have no political clout
all the texags threads about this rumor have been deleted
… adding to the likelihood that it’s true?
hmmmmmmm……..
They got deleted because TexAgs is run by communists who hate free speech.
That’s the truth. I hate that stupid website.
I agree.
TexAgs is the worst. Some of their stuff gets forwarded to me but I’m done with that website.
Hard to tell...
what’s going to happen but I agree that by 2013 we should all know. I’m actually thinking 2012 will be the implosion of the conference formally known as the Big 12.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
Never underestimate the power of Baptist Baylor politicians guys. But if we go SEC I hope Tech goes our way. It’ll be much more fun that way. As fun as the SEC would be in terms of game atmosphere though, I don’t see myself venturing into that hot humid hell more than once or so per year. That one time will be the LSU game in Baton Rouge, but only because of the food.
As far as the rest of the SEC, heck I can fry homemade chicken myself. And texas has its share of trailer parks and rednecks. No need to immerse yourself in reminiscing about Bear Bryant. There is a whole world outside Birmingham.
Dang am I making an argument for PAC10? Not really, but I would note that travelling to mountainous l
ow humidity states isn’t all bad.
by longboard8 on Aug 2, 2010 11:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
don't understand the appeal of Tech
academically and athletically, they bring nothing to the conference
Well we bring victories over A&M since this conference formed so I guess that’s just what we live for! Seriously Beergut you never seem to amuse me. I guess you just live to say anything negative about the boys out west. Why so bitter all the time?
On a more serious note most red raiders would favor a PAC10 invite over the SEC. The SEC is well established with plenty of power house team whereas the PAC10 has USC. You guys would be chum meat in the SEC and I mean that with no disrespect.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
Chum meat?
I hope we’ll find out. You might be right in the short-term. I think the SEC move would payoff long-term, though, and that is why there’s so much support for it around here.
Also, if wins over recent A&M teams are how you measure the success of your program, perhaps it’s time to raise your standards a bit.
by AgAstraPerAspera on Aug 2, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
We don’t measure wins over A&M as success. That’s kind of in there with Baylor for now. It’s pretty apparent that the win for you guys over Tech last season was huge for you program. It was a solid win and hopefully not just a fluke for ya’ll. This season will be a great game at Kyle and I personally can’t wait. Typically we set our sites on UT or OU each season but stuggle in getting both these guys in the same season. This season we’ll get UT and see if we can repeat against OU like we did last year. Norman is by far the worst place for Tech to play.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
BG: Tech brings nothing to the SEC
You: We bring wins over A&M.
Me: That’s not really much of a feather in your cap.
But whatever, I actually think you’re right. It was a big win, particularly because it was so unexpected. I’ll be interested to see what regime change does to Tech. Tubbs is a talented coach, but is he capable of tweaking and overseeing the Air Raid? New tricks for an old dog?
by AgAstraPerAspera on Aug 2, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Lots of unknowns for the south this year. It will be interesting to see how things look in November. We’ll just have to wait and see if Tuberville can take it up a notch. Neal Brown was a great hire and he’ll be in charge of everything offense. Tuberville and Willis will focus on defense.
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Are you sure about that???
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by Mulliganville on Aug 3, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
How would Tech fans feel about Tech joining the SEC?
I assume most Tech fans would prefer Tech join the Pac 10, and I think if expansion happens, it will go to 16 for bigger conferences. IMO, Tech and A&M would be perfect additions to the SEC West, and Va Tech and West Virginia would be perfect additions in the East. Baseball, basketball, track, ect. are all important, but the SEC is really all about football, and all these schools are crazy about football. I see how A&M fans feel about joining SEC, but how do Tech fans feel about joining SEC?
The SEC's Likely Position
First of all I began following this blog a few months ago during the realignment fiasco and fell in love with it. Since I am moving to Austin in May from Auburn, I wanted to get the feel of a potential SEC school’s fan base. Let me say that A&M would fit wonderfully into the conference. HOWEVER, while I know many of you would like to include Texas Tech to the SEC, it’s not going to happen. This is not meant to bash Tech in any way and before anyone says it, this is not meant as being pissed off about Tommy Tuberville etc etc. But think about these points:
1) Tech is a huge geographical misnomer to the SEC. While A&M is merely a few hours from Baton Rouge and a days drive from most Western Division teams, getting to Tech would require a flight for the entire fan base of another team. People in this conference already complain about travelling to Arkansas, so the complaints about Lubbock would be ten-fold. Also, please remember that a large portion of fans in the SEC travel by RV, so flying is typically not an option.
2) Unless the SEC can also get Texas, it makes no sense to take another school from the state. All the SEC really wants is TV sets and markets, which A&M delivers on its own. Tech doesn’t fit that mold, being the third most popular team in the state with less alumni. It makes far more sense financially for the conference to go after a Virginia Tech in order to expand it’s television and recruiting borders both west and east if adding two teams.
3) This will come off as disparaging, but Tech fans simply wouldn’t fit well into the conference. I attended the Alamo Bowl last year (my girlfriend lives in Austin and is a Michigan State fan) and watched the game while standing on the sidelines. While walking around the field and to the game before kickoff, I found many Tech fans to be rude, even observing one man beating up his date, which is fairly uncommon in the SEC. Yes you might get yelled at here, but someone will also offer you a glass of bourbon and some BBQ before you can reply, with the notable exceptions of Florida and Georgia.
4) Don’t forget the SEC is extremely strong in other sports, particularly baseball. Tech would need to be competitive in all of these and I’m not sure that they would be.
5) Despite the distorted view of our conference’s academics, there are only two Tier 3 institutions of the 12, which is at least the same number as the current Big 12 (Tech and OK State). Both are located in Mississippi. Adding another in Tech wouldn’t be ideal for the conference image.
Again, I’m sure these comments came off as condescending, but I think seeing this debate from the SEC’s perspective should be taken into consideration by everyone. Personally, I hope A&M joins the conference as it adds to our national profile plus I’d get to see Auburn sports every year in some capacity in College Station.
War Eagle and beat tu!
by lone star auburn man on Aug 3, 2010 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I don’t believe we actually think Tech will be offered SEC. It would be good for us as Texans, but the SEC won’t view it the same.
I hear the arguments about academics, but the reality is that academics mean diddly squat when it comes to athletics and revenue. Folks toss that about, but conference doesn’t make a bit of difference in terms of the success of individual students or individual schools, except to say that being popular in sports makes more students apply to an institution, thus making that institution more competitive.
Academics helps the conference out very little also. I’ll explain later
I just don’t see Tech wanting the SEC if a PAC10 invite were available. I personally think the SEC would be hell for any Texas school entering. The PAC10 would be exciting and Tech could still get OU and UT which have been competitive in the Big 12.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
Thoughts on points
On 1), some SEC fans may complain like they do about Arkansas, but an offer was extended to both A&M and Oklahoma. Where A&M is relatively close to Baton Rouge, Norman is getting farther away and this was not a problem for the SEC. Baton Rouge to Norman is 500 miles, and Baton Rouge to Lubbock is 660 miles.
On 2), IMO if Pac 10 expands, it will go to 16 teams, which will cause other major conferences to do the same. Along with A&M, another major team in Texas will work just fine IMO for the Western side of SEC. Texas and Oklahoma respectively do not want to join SEC, and I was interested in what Tech fans thought about the subject.
On 3), this is a subjective, isolated experience used to stereotype all Tech fans, and all fan bases have these type of fans. I know TT is getting farther West, but I assume people in Lubbock are more like people in Baton Rouge than they are like people in L.A., Portland or Seattle—I could be wrong, but I know they like football and tailgating.
On 4), I do not know to much about Tech baseball, but Tech can compete in B-ball for sure—a major sport—but again, football is the main thing. I’m sure there are plenty of good baseball players in Texas that TT can recruit with move to SEC.
On 5), if the Pac 10 with all their top 30 USNAWR universities—Stanford #4, Cal #21, UCLA #24, and USC #26—invited Tech to join, then the SEC should have no problem here. The academic thing is a sham also, because most 1-A universities lower their respective standards for unqualified student athletes to win games— http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4781264 If any school has a great commitment to academic excellence and its fans are going to boast about it, then it only seems right that academic standards are not compromised. They are not compromised at Northwestern, Duke, or Vandy and the precedent for a school’s commitment to academic excellence and how it relates to athletics was set seventy years ago by Univ. of Chicago, Ivy League schools, and schools like Vandy. For example, The Univ. of Chicago, "abandoned intercollegiate football in 1939 because the game hampered the university’s efforts to become the kind of institution it aspired to be. The university believed that it should devote itself to education, research and scholarship. Intercollegiate football has little to-do with any of these things and an institution that is to do well in them will have to concentrate upon them and rid itself of irrelevancies, no matter how attractive or profitable. Football has no place in the kind of institution Chicago aspires to be.
It has been argued that Chicago is different. Perhaps it is and maybe it is just that difference that enabled the university to separate football from education." From SI Vault article http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1128811/index.htm
Any school with a high ranking and high standards should follow one these examples IMO. Option A eliminate football so as not to give into temptation, option B: reduce football to games for bragging rights and have no need to be tempted, or option C: do not compromise high standards and stay in major athletic conference and live with results. If you notice in the USNAWR top 30, there are not a lot of traditionally great recruiting 1-A football universities. Hell, most do not have football teams.
Number 3
I don’t think any Aggie has forgotten the infamous goalpost incident. While I agree that the original comment made a sweeping generalization, I’m not sure it’s too far off in terms of the larger cultural differences between fanbases at football games.
That is just silly. I won’t even try to justify that arogant nonsense you just spewed.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
no time
no time to read everything above, but I want to go PAC 10 about 51% to 49% on most days. I like our rivals and, as I’ve stated, travel to the West is a helluva lot more interesting than going to the south. And man I like Civil War battlefields as much as anybody , but the south sort of drags on me after a while with the possible exception of New Orleans.
Ok well I do sort of live out west also. But women look better in the south. That much I’ll give you.
Raider1992 do you have tickets to the College Station game? If so then you’re welcome to tailgate with us. We are the same age as you . Just holler. Good tickets still left fellas.
one man beating up his date, which is fairly uncommonin the SEC
I’m sorry, but I laughed out loud when I read this. Not because I think beating up one’s partner is funny, or because I think it is common in the SEC, but because it seems like a glib statement. I mean, isn’t seeing someone beat up his date in public incredibly uncommon everywhere? Or am I just incredibly naive?
by mnHorn on Aug 3, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Guys, rivalries are good and TTU is a rival whether you like it or not. TTU is competitive in football and basketball. They have a med school and a number of good undergrad programs.
Va Tech is a helluva long way off compared to Lubbock. Blacksburg is that right? Did anybody actually travel there 7 or so yrs ago other than the band?
Give me Tech. I liKe those ol boys.
by longboard8 on Aug 2, 2010 7:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Guys, rivalries are good and TTU is a rival whether you like it or not. TTU is competitive in football and basketball. They have a med school and a number of good undergrad programs.
Va Tech is a helluva long way off compared to Lubbock. Blacksburg is that right? Did anybody actually travel there 7 or so yrs ago other than the band?
Give me Tech. I liKe those ol boys.
by longboard8 on Aug 2, 2010 7:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
are you talking about men’s basketball? they have struggled since Pat Knight took over. How is that competitive?
sounds to me like someone has some friends who go to Tech
Tech is an in-state rival, nothing more
who gives a damn about their medical school? we have a med school, too, why is this relevant to the conversation?
A lot of good undergrad programs? They’re a third-tier school, which means they are the academic equivalent of many of A&M’s satellite campuses
I thought this was about football, not academics?
I just don’t see anything that Tech would bring to the SEC or Pac-10, and it appears the commissioners of those conferences agree with me, which is why they are an add-on, and not a single invite.
delusional beergut. 5 wins in 14 years against your in-state nothing rival. Man I’ll bet your standing on the edge of a cliff when Tech does make Tier One status. You can keep dreaming Tech gets left behind but when this realignment surfaces again we’ll be in a qualifying conference.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
when you make Tier 1?
when will that be, 20 years from now?
I think you’re confusing being a Tier 1 research university (a designation which I think the State is trying to help y’all with) with a Tier 1 public university (an academic ranking bestowed by others)
I’ve seen everyone saying “when we hit Tier 1 status” on DTN, like it is just inevitably going to happen, but that is just the level of delusion and hopeful group-think that operates in certain pockets over there. Those are the same people who think Tech controls the DFW television market. Facts are replaced with hope and assumptions in their world.
As for our record against Tech, what did you beat us in last year? Seriously?
Sorry, a Tech Degree is held in High Regards,
much higher than a degree from TAMU.
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Held in high regard (yes, it's singular) by whom?
When’s the last time you’ve heard the joke: What do you call a four-year graduate from Texas Tech? A: Boss.
Never. I’ve heard it plenty of times referring to A&M.
I think it's the quality of the education and the students wants...
I’ve had many Aggie’s work for me and end up being a wash. Unfortunate, but it’s true.
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Glad you got a chuckle out of this.
Because it’s obviously a serious matter to some folks.
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Wait
You really believe that people consider a degree from tech better than one from A&M!?
Wait, are you that jaded that it might be a possibility?
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Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
No
I just don’t see any evidence supporting that. Perhaps a link showing academic rankings or some such could sway me, but I really don’t know of a non-tech grad that would place more value on a degree from tech than a&m.
If we're going that route,
how would you trend College Degree’s from respective Universities in a work environment?
i.e. – Applicant A graduated from University X, and applicant B graduated from University Y…….
Which one do they hire on?
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I honestly
don’t think it makes much difference, and either way its totally subjective anyway. I just think it is ridiculous to say a degree from tech is held in higher regard than one from a&m since tech is ranked much lower academically.
by the12thman11 on Aug 8, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
If it doesn't make a difference, then why are you arguing about it?
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How am I wrong?
If it doesn’t matter……. you know…..
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Because
tech is ranked much, much lower academically
by the12thman11 on Aug 10, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
What about job placement?
Overall graduation rate, yada yada yada….
Give me a link that states that Tech is ranked lower academically…..
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Since we're all playing the "I'm better than you" game I thought I would throw some more BS in the pot.
It obviously worked.
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To me,
that seems like the most likely scenario. OU will most certainly follow the Horns, and I would imagine VaTech would at least entertain SEC overtures. Or Clemson?
by AgAstraPerAspera on Aug 2, 2010 3:19 PM CDT reply actions
It may have been posted before
but I’m a little lazy right now and don’t want to look.
What is the average feeling (note: average, not just the editors of this site) of aggy about the prospect about not playing Texas anymore if aggy goes SEC in 2012/13 and Texas does not?
If Texas says : “We don’t want to schedule you as a permanent non conference game. Sorry”
What would the general aggy response be? Happy? A little sad, but whatever those damn sips are just scared to play us?
hobbes.
I detect you value the texas vs a and m rivalry. I do also, but yes we are pissed enough that we could move on. I honestly cannot imagine Thanksgiving without this event. Just sort of rips the heart out of the holiday whether I’m watching on tv with family or whether I’m at the game. I don’t care to watch the pros.
I’m not looking for a smart alec response, but what do you think? I know the ou rivalry is big, but we, meaning myself and all the guys I grew up with, talked about the Thanksgiving game growing up. I have a huge family with folks on both sides, but until recently I no ou friends or family.
Where I work and at the firms I have worked for in the past, ou resumes rarely cross my desk, but plenty of longhorns and Aggies do. Just pointing out that intrastate rivals matter
by longboard8 on Aug 2, 2010 7:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Agree on most of what you said
I too have grown up watching the Texas – aggy game on or the day after Thanksgiving. I do think it would be a little weird not having the game.
On one side, I think it would be kind of lame if the two top teams (most of the time) in the state don’t play every year.
On the other side, I am sick of some aggy fans, and their inability to reason or view things in a rational manner. For example, there are a bunch of dudes from my high school that WILL NOT SHUT UP about how much better aggy is than tu and how those t-sips are just lucky, or they cheat etc whenever we get together back in Plano. Its frustrating to no end. People like that make me want to never play aggy again because it makes me feel like Texas gets nothing out of that game. Texas has won over twice as many games as aggy has in head to head competition, including a better record against aggy at kyle field. The game is becoming less and less meaningful.
That being said, there are countless Texas fans who play the same jackass role. They bug the hell out of me too. Being a homer isn’t a bad thing (I would consider myself a huge Texas homer) yet the ability to recognize certain things and be able to admit them makes you a better sports fan, and makes banter back and forth between rivals fun instead of ridiculously frustrating and aggravating.
I guess on the whole, I’m a little indifferent. If we keep the game, great. I like the thanksgiving slot and we normally win so I like that. If not, farewell and enjoy grabbing your ankles in the SEC :)
now Hobbes
Let’s back up here a moment because I’m gonna have to rant. What is the A and M vs Texas record since A and M became a school that wasn’t almost entirely military? Like say the last 30-40 years? I’d say the count is rather close, though I don’t have that in front of me.
And even if you include the records in their entirety, I think we beat the longhorns every third game. That makes us pretty dam relevant, and let’s not even get into how we’re coming on in basketball, swimming, and YES golf and polo. And wait track and field 2x (last two years) national championships in both sexes.
Don’t get me started now! We are rivals til the end and the folks at texas who aren’t looking closer at this are losing the spirit of the state of Texas. Its like saying, “yeah I guess we can do without barbeque, screw it”. Ok maybe not the best analogy, but you get what it means.
I don’t know why I’m indifferent to NU, because they have a great following in football, but heck they just aren’t relevant in a state of Texas rivalry sense. It is my belief that we should be linked to one another, although there are moments I wake up in the middle of the night thinking how much I hate t.u. (And I even have a second doctoral degree from Univ of Texas)
by longboard8 on Aug 2, 2010 8:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I appreciate your comments
and do not wish to engage in exchanging rants. A little good natured poking fun between both sides is all I really enjoy. I will admit it would be weird to not play aggy, it is just something that has been a tradition.
The only part I cringed at a little in your post was the comment about the records of the school from the past 40 years. I think records are records, and you won/split 3 ways a national title in 1939. So the military part wasn’t holding you back then. I just dont like the idea of taking a record, and breaking it down into smaller parts to where you can say from x year to y year, aggy won more games then Texas.
I would like to keep the game, but here is how I view the situation:
Our biggest rival is OU.
In a situation where OU and aggy went to SEC (however unlikely) and Texas went PAC10, I would assume we keep the OU game because it has been played as an out of conference game for all but 14 years of the games history. With a likely 9 game superconference schedule, and a huge marquee rivalry game taking up a non conference spot, there would be no room left for aggy.
If Texas were to schedule this, you never leave yourself open for a different premier nonconference opponent like Ohio State. aggy would be willing to keep the Texas game because they have no OU like Texas does.
It’s a tricky situation.
Like I always say. texas bite texas bite texas jump up and bite my ass. Yall do make me chuckle pretty good. Enjoy your time on top. It may not last. And though ou may be a big rival, they follow texas around like a puppy dog
As a Horns fan,
surely you must realize that OU will follow UT to any conference, be it PAC XVI or Shit-Heap XXVIII. The Sooners will never be OOC for UT. I can see why you view them as your biggest rival since the RRR almost always has Championship implications.
I think I see what your point is, but I think most Aggies are probably just fine with kissing the game goodbye if it means a chance to play in the SEC. Also, I don’t believe you’ve heard A&M officials saying that they would never play UT again if we parted ways.
by AgAstraPerAspera on Aug 2, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Gyaw!
I cannot wait til Thanksgiving and also cant wait til Oct 30 Tech game. My wife took my 6 yr old son for a mini tour of A&M campus this weekend and they sent me texts and pics. My son even brought me back some bottle caps from bottle cap alley .
And I know there is a good chance the rivalry will be over soon. I’ll miss it, but hell all good things come to an end. Looking forward to those Baton Rouge trips and dammit, if we go to PAC 10 I’ll be fine with it. Palo Alto sounds kind of nice.
Hell some days I can’t remember what city the Univ of Alabama is in anyhow.
I know
I never said the aggy officials were claiming that. I’m curious to see how everything shapes up. It would be neat to take a peak at the college football landscape in 10 years and see what that looks like in terms of power conferences, teams, and regions.
Even if you look only to the past 40 years
and this
we beat the longhorns every third game
is correct, you’re agreeing with Hobbes on at least one point:
Texas has won over twice as many games as aggy has in head to head competition.
“Every third game” is par for the course over the entire series.
That said, I do disagree with Hobbes that “[t]he game is becoming less and less meaningful.” I LOVE it when we beat you guys. And, although every loss is painful, losing to you guys is excruciating. It bugs me for days. I think this is mainly due to the fact that I grew up during the Sherrill—>Slocum years, and most of my good friends were Aggie fans. Those were dark times.
As much as I love picking on you guys, I’d hate to see the rivalry end.
I think my view
is because of the time period that I grew up in. I graduated class of ’09, so the earliest memories of Texas football I have are from around the 1996 season. I remember my dad being super pumped about beating aggy in the last SWC game, and also remember him being super pissed about the 1997 season.
I started really watching and paying attention in 98, Mack’s first year. This may come off as sounding arrogant, or “t-sipish” or whatever you want to call it. I don’t care. I expect to beat aggy every year. I am always nervous about the game, but never think that we are going to lose. When we win, I feel more relieved that we didn’t lose than happy that we won. Like mnHorn said though, it does burn me up inside when we lose to aggy. I just feel like it shouldn’t have happened, and we lost to an inferior opponent.
Just my view on the situation. I really HATE OU and definitely would consider them my main rival. This might be more because of the time period I grew up in, but my dad and his college friends always tell me that OU is our #1 rival. I have yet to meet a Texas grad or fan that considers aggy the main rival.
Why do Texas' fans care so much about what A&M will do then?
Y’all go out of your way to argue so much over this A&M to SEC issue; if y’all feel this way—no big rivalry, why not just say go riddance when A&M fans say they want to go to SEC and leave it at that. If A&M joins SEC, A&M can develop new rivalries—LSU and Arkansas are already well established—with Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Miss St. ect. Rivalries have died out before—Oklahoma and Nebraska of recent with this being a huge game for a very long time (games in the 70’s and 80’s were epic).
It's not that Texas fans care so much
but we are interested in what is going to happen. Also, it is interesting to note that most of the fan base (from what I’ve read and from what I’ve heard from aggy grads) wants to go to the SEC, but the top brass decided on staying in the Big 12.
IMO, the top officials and leaders in aggyville know what is best for aggy better than the average aggy fan. I believe that aggy fans are getting caught up with the excitement of the SEC, and have yet to really analyze the moves advantages and disadvantages.
Texas fans are entitled to their opinion, and we are just sharing that with you.
hmmmmmm
the top officials and leaders in aggyville know what is best for aggy better than the average aggy fan.
the top brass also hired Dennis Franchione, and kept him around for far too long
have yet to really analyze the moves advantages and disadvantages.
Please, tell me, what are the disadvantages? We’re going to get slaughtered in football? You already think that is going to happen to us in the Big 12 anyway, so why should that be a deterrent to joining another conference? I really don’t think most ’sips are equipped to determine what the best course of action would be for A&M, because they are too blinded by their biased view of A&M to give a rational response.
what are the disadvantages? We’re going to get slaughtered in football? You already think that is going to happen to us in the Big 12 anyway
Yes, but you guys don’t. Therein lies the real disadvantage. It’s not that you guys will get slaughtered, it’s that when you do it will be the soul-crushing type of slaughter that ends with you in permanent obscurity. It will be a self-realization moment that happens in the company of people who neither like nor care about you. At least now when you get slaughtered, it’s by your big brother, who you know still loves you in the end. You jump to the SEC, they’ll welcome you until they get what they want: the recruiting pipeline and the TV markets to make take over the entire region. Then, they’ll chew you up and spit you out.
You’re Texans. You’re a good school. As long as you know that and act like it, you’re relevant. They don’t care about that stuff in the SEC. Live with it.
LOL
sorry, that was just funny
soul-crushing type of slaughter? It’s football!! You’re reading way too much into this. Permanent obscurity? We’re one of the top 20 winningest programs of all time, that isn’t going to change when we switch conferences.
At least now when you get slaughtered, it’s by your big brother, who you know still loves you in the end.
I’ve never understood this designation from ‘sips. You don’t know that texas was founded AFTER A&M, right? texas didn’t open until seven years after A&M had already started holding classes. How, exactly, does being a younger institution make them a “big brother”?
The big brother thing
is more about how we dominate the series. If you won for 40 years in a row, you still wouldn’t be .500 against Texas.
THAT is being little brother.
because they are too blinded by their biased view of A&M to give a rational response
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight it’s us sips who are blinded by biased views. aggy is always rational.
Can you put letters in the correct order?
Or capitalize proper nouns?
But yes, you were efficiently able to spell 5 words correctly. Congratulations, oh wise one.
Of course you are etitiled to your opinion...
but the same opinions have been expressed over and over; along with what you have said about the A&M brass knowing what is best for A&M as compared to their respective fans, there is A&M will get creamed year in year out in SEC—A&M not doing well in Big 12 is brought up, there is recruiting will actually get worse—pipeline to SEC will be created instead of more Texas’ kids going to A&M, there is SEC is academically inferior, and always Texas is superior in every way—on the field, recruiting, academics, ect. and really does not think A&M is a rivalry (OU is the thing). I have seen them all over and over. It would be like A&M fans questioning Texas fans to no end about Pac 10 move for whatever reasons they think TU’s move to Pac 10 would be bad for TU. I don’t think this has happened a whole lot—I could be wrong, but I don’t think so.
Great point.
I can’t remember thinking or saying anything about the Horns move to the PAC XVI other than, “good luck”.
This topic always gets the Texas fans riled up.
by AgAstraPerAspera on Aug 4, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
funny
my formative years were the mid-‘80s to ’90s, and all I remember it A&M beating the hell out of texas every year on Thanksgiving. To me, beating texas in football is expected. During that time period, the big rival for texas was A&M, simply because they couldn’t beat us. OU, otoh, would still lose to texas, even when texas was unranked and OU was highly ranked (see Peter Gardere years if you’re too young to know what I’m referring to). texas fans typically choose the team who gives them the most challenging game and claim it as their rival. You can still meet some old ’sips who will claim the big rival is Arkansas, from back in the Broyles days.
All of the older Texas fans
I have met through my dad, the alumni center, and Texas Exes Dallas events consider OU the main rival.
That would be like some aggy saying Tech is the main rival because they have been the ones doing the “whooping” as of late.
I hope A&M does leave! OU to PAC-16
I hope they do leave in 2012/13. Would make sense for them. I want OU to stick with the west though and go with Texas, TT and OSU or KU to the PAC-16. Then we will have the two best powerconferences and can determine the true champ on the field of battle. It will be epic and the “sooner” the better as far as I am concerned.
And has been mentioned recently, you are texas’s b- .
by longboard8 on Aug 2, 2010 8:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
aggies to SEC would certainly open up some new recruiting pipelines
Saban and Miles and Nutt would love the additional opportunities into east Texas. Unfortunately, for the agggies, the Texas kids that might be interested in the SEC would not want to play for the lowest ranked school in the conference, so it won’t do much to help Aggie recruiting. It will probably hurt them instead. The Aggies will be the Iowa State of the SEC.
The whole concept is interesting and I’m glad A&M stopped the premature departure to the PAC-16. I really do thank you for stopping the move.
I heard the wranglers ran around with their underwear on top of their head during initiation. Any truth to that?
just glad you can take some ribbing man!
by longboard8 on Aug 3, 2010 5:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm on your turf
and I come from a divided family. I actually enjoy the hobby of trying to figure out you ags.
SEC?
A&M would go from not being competitve in the Big 12 to being even further away from a conference championship in the SEC
It could be worse.
We could be staring down a MWC invite.
by AgAstraPerAspera on Aug 3, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
We’re on the upswing. Glad I can laugh about this.
by longboard8 on Aug 3, 2010 6:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Holy hell I love being an Ag. Next to finding my wife ( at A and M), there are few things that top it.
by longboard8 on Aug 3, 2010 6:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Moving to SEC would improve your recruiting!
Arkansas is not doing horrible in the SEC. They have a great coach and a bright future.
A&M would have the same.
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