Nebraska Leaving Big 12 North For...New Big 12 North
Nebraska is leaving the Big 12 North after the 2010-11 school year to join the Big Ten. The Big Ten will have twelve teams, like the Big 12 currently does, and will split into two divisions, like the current Big 12. The latest prognostications have the Big Ten forming East and West divisions, with the "big six" programs - Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State - being split up evenly, three teams going into each division. With Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Purdue, and Indiana in the East, and Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, Northwestern, Illinois, and Minnesota in the West, you're really just looking at another version of the Big 12 South and Big 12 North.
With Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State in the East, you have another version of the Big 12 South. Just like Oklahoma has dominated the Big 12 this past decade, Ohio State has dominated the Big 10, winning or sharing the conference championship six times this past decade. Michigan has won or shared three conference championships, just like texas has been second to OU's conference dominance in the Big 12 South. The other Big Ten schools have largely been quiet, with Illinois winning the only other conference title in 2001 (Kansas State, 2003, anyone?).
Looking at the schools in the proposed Big Ten West division, the similarities to the Big 12 North are striking. In Wisconsin, you have the Big Ten version of Missouri: good in basketball, solid in football, anxious to declare themselves as Nebraska's equal and rival. Illinois is the Big Ten version of Kansas, a basketball school trying to play football in the Fall. Just as Kansas has some historically great football alumni (Gale Sayers, Dana Stubblefield), so does Illinois (Dick Butkus, Ray Nitschke). Just as Kansas had some flash-in-the-pan success with Ron Zook, so did Kansas with their one great season under Mark Mangino. Iowa is the Big Ten version of Colorado: occasionally has some success, and really, really wants a rivalry with Nebraska, but not a consistently great program. Northwestern is scarily similar to Kansas State: purple colors, historically a poor program, experienced a recent renaissance with a new coach turning around the program. Minnesota is the Big Ten counterpart to Iowa State: not much success, but they try really hard. Just as the sport of choice in Minnesota is hockey, the sport of choice in Iowa is wrestling, so football is the second sport, at best, in both states.
If Nebraska thought they didn't get enough respect for being a member of the Big 12 North because of the perceived weakness of the division, wait until the national sportswriters weigh in on the lightweight division that is the Big 12 West. Nebraska is moving to another conference and joining a new division to face the same weak competition they're facing today in the Big 12 North. Tell me again why they joined the Big Ten?
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Could not agree more with this...
For football, the fertile recruiting ground in the Big 10 is Michigan/Ohio/Pennsylvania, and with Michigan, Ohio St., and Penn St. obviously all right there, you cannot put these three in the same division—Big 12 situation all over again 100%. A lot of combinations can work as long as those three schools are not in the same division—what are they thinking? Again, recruiting is the problem—one division will have a glut of blue chippers and the other will not and over time the gap will continue to widen just as it has in Big 12. Nebraska has a lot of tradition but the state of Nebraska and surrounding states are not fertile recruiting ground—tradition is nice, but you have to have the players also to win consistently and to win championships. This is the same situation with the other proposed teams in the West (Wis., Iowa, Minn., NU, and Illinois) The teams with tradition—Wis., Iowa, Minn.—are respectively not in fertile recruiting ground either. The ESPN 150 numbers with verbals to date and adding back to 06 shows the trend that will continue and create another Big 12 situation with those proposed divisions IMO:
(Big-10) Ohio St.=32, Mich=22, Penn St.=17, Illin.=8, Wisc=6, Iowa=5, Mich St.=5, Minn=3, 0 for Ind., Purdue, and NU. Nebraska=5 in the same time frame.
actually
isn’t Illonois, especially Chicago, supposed to be a great recruiting area?
as far as “traditional powers” go, the question has to be asked: will Penn St stay really good after JoePa retires? It’s always hard to replace a legendary coach, and there’s zero guarantee they’ll pull it off
Of course, realistically, this could easily just be the prelude to more Big Ten expansion, and I’d guess they’ll keep in mind which extra teams they could bring along when setting up divisions, so that the 2011 setup doesn’t need to be completely redone with four more teams. Of course, they could always look at their options, say ‘screw it, we’re done" and go from there, but I kind of doubt it.
Chicago is a good recruiting area and is on the cusp of the Michigan/Ohio/Pennsylvania zone I mentioned...
Wisc, Iowa, Illinois and other Big 10 schools recruit Chicago, but so does Michigan, Michigan St. and Ohio State. For example, Ohio St. already has a verbal from two of the top players in the Chicago area in WR Daniels, and G Bobeck for 2011 class and the top G Walsh has Mich and Mich St. at the top of his short list. Also ND is right there and recruits Chicago heavily—Illinois, and NU are not traditionally good football schools. The rest of Illinois is not traditionally fertile recruiting ground. It is a fair question for Penn St., but IMO, they should have no problems getting recruits after JoePa retires—may have a very good class for 2011 regardless with a lot of good players still considering Penn State. They have great tradition, and are in the zone I mentioned and also recruit NY, NJ, Maryland, and Virginia. I bring up Fl St. to compare to Penn St. only for recruiting purposes, because JoePa team’s are still very competitive, but when Bowden stepped down—I do think Bowden should have been given one more year, recruiting sky-rocketed even with a HC who has never coached a game. Like PSU, FSU has great tradition and is in a good recruiting area. The idea of more Big 10 expansion came to mind when I asked myself, What are they doing with these divisions? If ND—really the goal of any more Big 10 expansion—is added, could be put into the West. I would not be surprised if Pac 16 happens with shaky Big 12, which would trigger both SEC and Big 10 to act. SEC or Big 10 could strike first—Big 10 started looking into it first this time. Iike you, I doubt expansion is over. If expansion does not come, Big 10 should split those three up—they all respectively have great tradition, recruiting advantage—historically and geographically, and will cause the conference to become athletically lopsided in favor of the East IMO. In article BG gave up there the Big 10 officials are, "Alvarez said that Big Ten officials and athletic directors have been analyzing “everything — overall record, conference record, opponents, opponents’ records, BCS ratings, Sagarin ratings” in an effort to achieve what commissioner Jim Delany calls “competitive fairness.”
That’s the first criteria the Big Ten will use. Second is preserving rivalries. Third is geography, though Delany did acknowledge travel concerns at Big Ten media days." He did not mention recruiting patterns and where the better areas for HS recruiting are in Big 10 country as a criterion in determining divisions and this make no sense to me. It is a lot more important than BCS ratings or Sagarin ratings and as important if not more so as the rest of the criteria. I think having West: Mich, Neb, NU, Iowa, Wisc, Minn and East: Mich St., OSU, Penn St., Ind, Purdue, Illin would work fine—basic geographic split and having the three bigs split.
If the East/West geographical split does go ahead as planned, Nebraska won’t be that much better off than they were in the Big 12 competition wise. Despite what the SEC fans would have you believe, beating Ohio State/Michigan/Penn State year in and year out is every bit as difficult as dealing with the southern power brokers in the Big 12.
Why Nebraska made the move is easy to see though- money and stability. Going to the Big 12, NU makes more money, and the Big 10 is one of the three conferences in the nation who have nothing to fear in the expansion wars except getting left with their second choice. Penn State is not a threat to get poached by the Big East, so the automatic bid will always be there, unlike what would be left for NU if the Big 12 South -Baylor +CU had bid farewell to the Big 12 and Mizzou had gotten the Big 10 call-up instead. I can’t see a good way for Osborne to pitch “Goodbye Colorado and Oklahoma, our new rivals will be Colorado State and BYU.”
i would actually say
that there’s really only two leagues that have nothing to fear in the expansion wars: the SEC and Big Ten.
The ACC should largely be safe as an entity, though it’s quite possible (maybe even likely) that a couple schools get poached by the SEC (Miami, FSU, VT, Clemson, GT are all theoretical targets) and/or Big Ten (BC, UVA, MD are all possibilities). But even in such cases they could always poach Big East targets to make up the difference.
It’s almost impossible to see one or two Pac-12 schools getting poached (where would they go?), but it’s at least possible that in a few years there’s a revival of the merger idea, except that they remove a couple schools from the Pac-12 in the process (if you add the “Texas Five”, one needs to go; if you add Kansas and Missouri, more would need to go), especially since A&M’s big objection to the Pac-16 idea was that there’d be too many NW trips. This would be a big surprise, and certainly wouldn’t happen until they’ve given the new setup a chance to succeed, but it’s not completely off the table either.
We'll miss you, too.
Looking forward to the game in College Station this November. Might even make the trip down!
Nebraska will be fine in whatever division setup the Big Ten goes with. If they do go with just a straight geographical divide, I don’t see the hypothetical Big Ten East being top-heavy. They’ll have the edge on traditional powers, sure, but Wisconsin and Iowa have given those programs all they can handle in recent years. Not to mention, Michigan is down and may take years to recover, while Penn State looks like it might be on the cusp of a few average seasons. I think things will be cyclical enough that we won’t need to worry about having another Big 12 South on our hands (not that that was necessarily a bad thing).
Also, you wonder why Nebraska went to the Big Ten? I could ask you why aTm was all but ready to go to the SEC?
that last line
is a rhetorical question
I know why Nebraska left, I just believe it is a net negative for you athletically, while it is a positive academically.
Yes, it was rhetorical
but the point is that there was/is much contention in the Big 12 that both schools were privy to. Texas A&M had the right idea courting the SEC, while Nebraska would’ve been stupid to turn down the Big Ten with UT threatening to blow the whole conference up if NU didn’t get back in line.
Athletically, it could go either way. NU may end up getting another easy cruise to the conference title game, a la the Big XII North. I don’t see how that would be a bad deal. But I think it’s generally thought that NU will have a harder time of it in the Big Ten. Iowa and Wisconsin are very good right now— better than any competition the North has to offer. Either way, Bo Pelini was twice given the opportunity to voice his opinion of the move, and both times he voted in favor of it. I trust him and Tom Osborne to know what they’re getting themselves into.
Really?
Wow beergut. If you ask just about all Nebraska fans they’d tell you that they respect your school on many levels and have always enjoyed the competition and friendly rivalry we’ve shared since the big12 has been around. But you seem a little on the bitter side with some of your posts about us.
And I don’t know why you wanted to call a 73 year old man a scumbag. Last I heard, your old man AD Bill Byrnes didn’t take kindly to name calling. You should be careful, if he reads your blogs he might be inclined to go kick your butt! Watch out beergut, he’s crazy!
GBR!
after the Lawrence Phillips incident
I’m fairly certain I’m not the only person who thinks Osborne is a scumbag
I think you are stretching
saying that Iowa and Wisconsin are “very good right now”.
Iowa needed two (TWO!) blocked FGs in the last second to beat Northern Iowa. They barely beat Arkansas State at home (although some couldn’t even beat them at home the year before), squeaked by Michigan State, and beat Indiana in the 4th quarter (game much closer than final score would indicate).
Oh yea, and THEY LOST TO NORTHWESTERN.
And Wisconsin? THEY ALSO LOST TO NORTHWESTERN!!!
To be fair, Northwestern went 8-5 this past year, so they didn’t have their usual awful losing season. But, you can’t say Iowa and Wisconsin are very good right now.

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